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Tue Jul 7, 2020, 04:03 PM

Mike 03 (15,933 posts)

54. Beautifully put:

They don't want criticism or their financial bottom line harmed by their own speech.

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207 replies	Author	Time	Post
J.K. Rowling, B.Weiss & N. Chomsky Among Dozens Sign Open Letter Calling for End to Cancel Culture [View all]	lapucelle	Jul 2020	OP
Cancel Rowling	soothsayer	Jul 2020	#1
This - she's a bigot n/t	FreeState	Jul 2020	#27
What a stupid letter	JonLP24	Jul 2020	#2
That seems to be the general consensus. N/T	lapucelle	Jul 2020	#3
And don't forget these (courtesy of Daniel dale)	soothsayer	Jul 2020	#4
If you can't see twitter, it's trump urging to:	soothsayer	Jul 2020	#6
+1	Nevilledog	Jul 2020	#7
I find some of the names attached to that letter bewildering.	lapucelle	Jul 2020	#10
Me too.	Mike 03	Jul 2020	#15
Yeah, that jumped out at me too.	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#17
His understanding of the alt-right and the rise of fascism hasn't really kept up with reality.	WhiskeyGrinder	Jul 2020	#21
Maybe He Thinks	RobinA	Jul 2020	#143
"Both sides" of what?	WhiskeyGrinder	Jul 2020	#145
Right And Left	RobinA	Jul 2020	#176
"Wait until you hear about racism and sexism."	fleur-de-lisa	Jul 2020	#5
Exactly!	mountain grammy	Jul 2020	#114
Telling it like it is.	oasis	Jul 2020	#126
Do not even use the term Cancel Culture	Sanity Claws	Jul 2020	#8
"Cancel Culture"	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#18
Holding people responsible is right	Sanity Claws	Jul 2020	#23
Oh, I agree with you	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#34
You'd be able to run them down faster	snort	Jul 2020	#43
Hold on a minute...	lame54	Jul 2020	#22
haha. You are so right.	Sanity Claws	Jul 2020	#25
"Cancel Culture" is a right-wing shibboleth.	backscatter712	Jul 2020	#102
+100000	Celerity	Jul 2020	#199
The only ones who cry about this are those who suck.	JNelson6563	Jul 2020	#9
Imagine being sad when you have to hear the little people's objections to your views.	WhiskeyGrinder	Jul 2020	#11
I've always respected Chomsky	janterry	Jul 2020	#12
What does it mean to "value all speech"?	WhiskeyGrinder	Jul 2020	#20
There is a difference between...	lame54	Jul 2020	#26
+1	Nevilledog	Jul 2020	#31
Cancel culture is practiced by those that are afraid	janterry	Jul 2020	#46
Cancel culture is simply a passive method designed to avoid the consequences of free speech	LanternWaste	Jul 2020	#49
I agree with you	cabot	Jul 2020	#53
Bullshit...	lame54	Jul 2020	#59
I hate wind turbines. I'm a radical environmentalist and leftist.	hunter	Jul 2020	#70
Disagree strongly.	Caliman73	Jul 2020	#71
Very well said.	Doodley	Jul 2020	#84
Yep. No need to pay bigots to spout their bigotry. Nt	lostnfound	Jul 2020	#104
So when Rowling spouts TERF nonsense, what should we do?	Cuthbert Allgood	Jul 2020	#39
We ShOuLd VaLuE It	WhiskeyGrinder	Jul 2020	#50
Whatever you do gird your loins before daring to dissent on the one of her Twitter threads	TubbersUK	Jul 2020	#62
My money is mine - I tend to avoid buying things from people that piss me off.	backscatter712	Jul 2020	#113
She Should Not Be Punished	RobinA	Jul 2020	#147
Why shouldn't transgender people mass respond?	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2020	#153
She's not being punished for her speech. People are pushing back on a platform that allows such	WhiskeyGrinder	Jul 2020	#164
Rowling's Disagreement	RobinA	Jul 2020	#179
"Sure, just like David Duke's disagreement with Black people is one way of looking at an issue,	WhiskeyGrinder	Jul 2020	#180
Block her vile hate speech.	Voltaire2	Jul 2020	#178
One imagines that if we value speech, we then realize the consequences of that speech.	LanternWaste	Jul 2020	#48
Well, except for the speech deemed "cancel culture"	kcr	Jul 2020	#103
Wow. This is really stupid. You are free to say things. People are free to not like what you say.	Squinch	Jul 2020	#13
Yes - such a pompous, inane letter IMO - read it twice & can't find any substance in it n/t	TubbersUK	Jul 2020	#19
Dummies	JustAnotherGen	Jul 2020	#14
Ummm, no...	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#16
As a person that has read her tweets/essay repeatedly	FunkyLeprechaun	Jul 2020	#58
She just likened transitioning to "conversion therapy"	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#61
If you watch the BBC Newsnight excerpt	FunkyLeprechaun	Jul 2020	#72
I recall her being defended by the cast	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#121
"She just likened transitioning to "conversion therapy""	Doodley	Jul 2020	#85
I am aware of no reputable	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#119
What process are you talking about?	Doodley	Jul 2020	#127
of dosing 2 and 4 year olds with hormones.	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#170
No, I don't know of that process either, but the process of reinforcing that a	Doodley	Jul 2020	#182
Again, I have seen no credible evidence that	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#183
Are you kidding me?	Doodley	Jul 2020	#184
In the video of the Tavistock Centre	FunkyLeprechaun	Jul 2020	#132
Thank you for bringing it to my attention	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#169
One point though	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#171
Thanks for a well reasoned post. nt	delisen	Jul 2020	#66
You're welcome	FunkyLeprechaun	Jul 2020	#75
did jk rowling write this	WhiskeyGrinder	Jul 2020	#69
Thank you	romana	Jul 2020	#81
This is a big oof. "TRAs?" Really?	Sophia_Of_PlanetX	Jul 2020	#90
My answers	FunkyLeprechaun	Jul 2020	#94
Re:	Sophia_Of_PlanetX	Jul 2020	#95
Fallon Fox, MtF trans, seriously injured Tamikka Brents and destroyed her career.	Manifestor_of_Light	Jul 2020	#201
The Federalist is a Conservative, Pro-Trump Propaganda Site. Also, Responses Below...	Sophia_Of_PlanetX	Jul 2020	#204
Radfems DO NOT HATE transwomen. They have a right to exist.	Manifestor_of_Light	Jul 2020	#205
Every TERF I've seen online or IRL absolutely hates trans women and wants them not to exist.	Sophia_Of_PlanetX	Jul 2020	#206
Thanks. Like you, at first, I was disappointed	cabot	Jul 2020	#99
Have you looked at the 'TransTrain' Documentary?	janterry	Jul 2020	#133
I haven't	FunkyLeprechaun	Jul 2020	#135
We knew a family in FL	janterry	Jul 2020	#136
Anybody who believes	Proud Liberal Dem	Jul 2020	#186
The tavistock therapists believe there is a push.	janterry	Jul 2020	#191
You aren't Trans	Proud Liberal Dem	Jul 2020	#187
I'm not trans, that's right	FunkyLeprechaun	Jul 2020	#189
10 years of therapy?!	Proud Liberal Dem	Jul 2020	#198
Buck himself said therapy took a while	FunkyLeprechaun	Jul 2020	#200
Therapy is always part of the process	Proud Liberal Dem	Jul 2020	#203
Her Opinions	RobinA	Jul 2020	#148
Sounds good to me n/t	Devil Child	Jul 2020	#24
Sounds good to me too.	Owl	Jul 2020	#101
WTF happened to Rowling??? NT	Bleacher Creature	Jul 2020	#28
She's been TERFing for years.	WhiskeyGrinder	Jul 2020	#29
She's upset because she's down to her last 14.3 million Twitter followers poor thing	TubbersUK	Jul 2020	#35
Her two major fan groups	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#37
Cancel the cancel culture?	soothsayer	Jul 2020	#30
"Cancel" is not censorship.	hunter	Jul 2020	#32
JK Rowling wrote some absolutely genius kids' books & oversaw their wonderful movies. ...	Hekate	Jul 2020	#33
Based on the recent backlash, Rowling's signature is most likely an exercise in self-service.	lapucelle	Jul 2020	#41
Which begs the question: what are they all reading into it, and what are we?	Hekate	Jul 2020	#65
Many of them are of an era that has a different concept of liberalism and progressivism than the	WhiskeyGrinder	Jul 2020	#67
I don't think that is what is meant by illiberalism.	lapucelle	Jul 2020	#78
Rowling has already been cancelled by most of us	obamanut2012	Jul 2020	#36
sigh	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#40
There you go, being reasonable!	Maeve	Jul 2020	#56
A number of my heroes have disappointed me over the years	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#60
...	CatLady78	Jul 2020	#195
Agreed	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#196
Exactly.nt	CatLady78	Jul 2020	#197
Sociopathic and evil? That seems a bit ridiculous.	tritsofme	Jul 2020	#44
Agreed.	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#63
What we're seeing is the death of nuance.	musicblind	Jul 2020	#108
Yes!	betsuni	Jul 2020	#116
I have criticized Rowling	Miguelito Loveless	Jul 2020	#124
This message was self-deleted by its author	CatLady78	Jul 2020	#193
she is sociopathic and evil	obamanut2012	Jul 2020	#138
Right...how very silly.	tritsofme	Jul 2020	#173
See, the 'evil' part is the problem with your statement.	musicblind	Jul 2020	#107
A list of people and things Donald Trump tried to get canceled before he railed against 'cancel cult	soothsayer	Jul 2020	#38
Some people and entities Trump has tried to get canceled	soothsayer	Jul 2020	#42
I actually agree on Bill Maher	JonLP24	Jul 2020	#45
I do not support any cancel culture	janterry	Jul 2020	#47
I think it is the other way around	JonLP24	Jul 2020	#51
Beautifully put:	Mike 03	Jul 2020	#54
This is not what those against cancel culture think	janterry	Jul 2020	#88
I Am Utterly Against	RobinA	Jul 2020	#149
I remember when the ACLU used to fight for all speech	janterry	Jul 2020	#86
Exactly.	musicblind	Jul 2020	#109
Hmmm...	OneGrassRoot	Jul 2020	#52
Things have gone too far when someone states an	leftyladyfrommo	Jul 2020	#55
In 1977 the American Nazi party planned a march	leftyladyfrommo	Jul 2020	#68
First coming to term with it... it's a symptom rather than a cause	ck4829	Jul 2020	#76
Mobs don't like anyone who makes them feel stupid.	leftyladyfrommo	Jul 2020	#83
Rightwingers have been trying to silence me my whole life. I see no reason to copy their methods	struggle4progress	Jul 2020	#57
A list of those signing the letter..	jalan48	Jul 2020	#64
The blessed "published" might examine their motives.	hunter	Jul 2020	#73
Salman Rushdie, New York University	jalan48	Jul 2020	#74
My attention is not limited to names.	hunter	Jul 2020	#77
LOL-I'm sure you have.	jalan48	Jul 2020	#79
Salman Rushdie might ask my advice.	hunter	Jul 2020	#80
Boylan has already apologized for signing, LMAO.	WhiskeyGrinder	Jul 2020	#96
I am opposed to the cancel culture and will boycott anyone who disagrees with me!	Doodley	Jul 2020	#82
This message was self-deleted by its author	geralmar	Jul 2020	#87
Some examples of what the letter might be talking about.	Jim__	Jul 2020	#89
.	WhiskeyGrinder	Jul 2020	#92
.	Jim__	Jul 2020	#105
What a disingenuous post.	WhiskeyGrinder	Jul 2020	#110
Talk about disingenuous. Have you even read the letter?	Jim__	Jul 2020	#118
I have read the letter. It commits the common -- and disingenuous -- error of treating "all sides"	WhiskeyGrinder	Jul 2020	#137
Can we have an end to cancel cancel culture?	meadowlander	Jul 2020	#91
+1	Owl	Jul 2020	#100
They lost me with their claim of "the intolerant climate that has set in on all sides."	VOX	Jul 2020	#93
You are correct about the right. They aren't the same, but we can't become them.	musicblind	Jul 2020	#112
We have the right to protect ourselves. These scum want us dead.	backscatter712	Jul 2020	#123
Tolerance is not a moral precept. It is a peace treaty.	backscatter712	Jul 2020	#115
Sorry it has to fit into a single tweet	Steelrolled	Jul 2020	#97
Political correctness evolved into cancel culture because of social media.	betsuni	Jul 2020	#98
Those who complain about "Political Correctness" just want to say the n-word in "polite" company...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2020	#139
No. It was a term used by the Left first.	betsuni	Jul 2020	#140
No, I'm talking about current context, just like how this letter is just a transphobe...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2020	#142
"elitists"	betsuni	Jul 2020	#146
Generally people who never have to worry about juggling rent and groceries, who have access...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2020	#150
As if all intellectuals and smart people are rich.	betsuni	Jul 2020	#152
Uhm, do most of these people have to work 50+ hours a week to be able to make rent every month?	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2020	#155
LOL!	betsuni	Jul 2020	#156
Do you have something of substance to contribute? n/t	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2020	#158
Um, it's not about me.	betsuni	Jul 2020	#159
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2020	#161
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL "ELITIST" LOL	betsuni	Jul 2020	#162
Didn't Bill Maher already do this ? It's usually some random unknowns	JI7	Jul 2020	#106
I LOVE Cancel Culture	qwlauren35	Jul 2020	#111
People are trying to catch us up on our divisions.	herding cats	Jul 2020	#117
Cancel culture isn't about change or social justice.	musicblind	Jul 2020	#120
+1	cabot	Jul 2020	#122
You can't change everyone's mind . It just turns into those who are victimized having to be the ones	JI7	Jul 2020	#125
Excellent post.	Music Man	Jul 2020	#129
+1	betsuni	Jul 2020	#130
Excellent post. Thank you.	Owl	Jul 2020	#134
There's that one deal about casting the first stone that comes to mind.	gulliver	Jul 2020	#128
Wow, Chomsky? That's going to burst some people's bubbles.	BannonsLiver	Jul 2020	#131
As you can see, the bus is already backing up over him.	Behind the Aegis	Jul 2020	#181
He's a transphobe.	Dr. Strange	Jul 2020	#185
Methinks thou doth protest too much Steinem and Chomsky	Beringia	Jul 2020	#141
Zephyr Teachout signed the letter. How does she fit in? N/T	lapucelle	Jul 2020	#144
She comes from a white elitist family, why wouldn't that be a good fit	Beringia	Jul 2020	#151
I had no idea she is from an elitist family.	lapucelle	Jul 2020	#154
First paragraph of Early life section of her Wiki page,	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2020	#157
That doesn't make her family "elitist".	lapucelle	Jul 2020	#163
Just because she is a progressive and allies with Cortez, doesn't mean she has not	Beringia	Jul 2020	#160
Also I am grappling with this issue myself recently	Beringia	Jul 2020	#165
How is her family "elitist"?	lapucelle	Jul 2020	#166
I use the definition of someone who has professors as parents	Beringia	Jul 2020	#167
It isn't like it was decided upon by committee	gollygee	Jul 2020	#168
"Cancel culture?" WHY does every frickin thing have to be so	Kashkakat v.2.0	Jul 2020	#172
Cancel culture is just a mob in internet form	Sympthsical	Jul 2020	#174
There's not much I disagree with in that letter...	SKKY	Jul 2020	#175
What's cancel culture?	Polybius	Jul 2020	#177
Severely depressing	Proud Liberal Dem	Jul 2020	#188
Salman Rushdie signed it	treestar	Jul 2020	#190
Good point.	betsuni	Jul 2020	#192
Nothing says "canceled" like a de facto contract on your life. N/T	lapucelle	Jul 2020	#194
cancel culture	melman	Jul 2020	#202
Cancel the cancellations	gulliver	Jul 2020	#207

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