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Warren DeMontague

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43. Okay. So let's hash this out. Someone could get on stage at a megachurch and say "I'm Gay"

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:49 PM

Sep 2012

and cause violence, therefore, they're not allowed to do it?

Is that your rationale?

"Saying something that makes someone mad" is NOT "yelling fire in a crowded theater". Understand?

Now, the specific situation in this story is not in the domestic US, so the 1st Amendment does not apply. But your understanding of the first Amendment is grossly inadequate. So much so that, well, you really ought to get back to Civics class because the 1st Amendment is the backbone of our freedoms and the Bill of Rights. Got it?

And you know what? Even if my saying that made you so mad you felt the need to burn something, riot, or otherwise have some violent tantrum, I'm still not gonna get arrested for it. WAAAH!

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To us, it's "just a movie" because we have generations of movies as entertainment [View all] magical thyme Sep 2012 OP

that is an interesting point phantom power Sep 2012 #1

Agree, though many state sponsored productions have given way to independent lately flamingdem Sep 2012 #27

Very well said. Thanks, MT. K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Sep 2012 #2

I don't disagree, boston bean Sep 2012 #3

I think there are 2 possible reasons that Egyptian TV did that... Volaris Sep 2012 #56

Well, of course. But that should have no bearing on our response. lightcameron Sep 2012 #4

Well said, lightcameron! appal_jack Sep 2012 #6

and I would re-iterate my response. I didn't write that I support their repressive culture magical thyme Sep 2012 #9

Where and how did you acquire this deep understanding and empathy for another culture? slackmaster Sep 2012 #5

um, exactly where did I support a culture that treats women as property? magical thyme Sep 2012 #7

Very good point loyalsister Sep 2012 #8

Not sure what you mean by presented it. My understanding is that an arabic-version trailer magical thyme Sep 2012 #10

I was referring to the source that gave it the most widespread attention loyalsister Sep 2012 #13

I see. I think it was their media that ran it on their news that gave it widespread exposure. magical thyme Sep 2012 #14

I don't know, actuially loyalsister Sep 2012 #17

I'm sure they did, just as ours did in their lies ahead of the Iraq wars magical thyme Sep 2012 #18

I am not going to feel empathy for an intentionally backward and regressive religion who RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #11

Freedom of expression is not without license. Period. magical thyme Sep 2012 #12

I can't believe you are trying to equate video production with murder. I am against people like you. RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #15

Please point out exactly where I have defended the murderers? Good luck with that, because I haven't magical thyme Sep 2012 #16

You are defending them by implicating the creators of the videos who are not RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #23

the creator of the video did it with the *intent* of inciting violence. magical thyme Sep 2012 #36

No, it wouldn't be a crime. I realize some people like to have weird fantasies about "limits" on the Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #44

I'm so fucking tired of this "fire in a crowded theater" bullshit comparison. Codeine Sep 2012 #54

We freak out, we dont riot, kill, and burn shit. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #30

Um, yes we do. magical thyme Sep 2012 #39

Okay. So let's hash this out. Someone could get on stage at a megachurch and say "I'm Gay" Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #43

And making threats against the President is not the same thing as "saying something offensive" Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #45

first of all, speak for yourself. It's not just a movie to me. It's a vile piece of hate. cali Sep 2012 #19

Personally, I agree it is a vile piece of hate and I don't consider it "just a people posting here magical thyme Sep 2012 #20

If our extremists were a greater percent of the population XemaSab Sep 2012 #26

Oh good. You found a way to blame "us." moondust Sep 2012 #21

Seriously, did you even read the OP? At all? Or just leap to a wrong conclusion? magical thyme Sep 2012 #22

We can read "for comprehension" just fine. Bake Sep 2012 #24

Nor. Do. I. This thread isn't about blame. magical thyme Sep 2012 #25

"do not absolve the movie maker" = I want limits on free expression. RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #28

A lot of folks who think they are progressive, are chomping at the bit to limit free expression. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #31

Um, there already are limits on free expression. magical thyme Sep 2012 #34

All of those except the Romney sticker are direct threats. Saying something that offends someone is Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #47

This is some of the stupidest shit I've ever read... cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #49

The 1st Amendment means you can ONLY SAY STUFF THAT EVERYONE ALREADY AGREES WITH! Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #51

You made me mad! Enjoy jail! You're going to JAIL! Did you hear? Never shoulda said that thing that Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #48

I don't buy it at all! MNBrewer Sep 2012 #29

Perhaps we should do away with the whole freedom of speech thing 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #32

"Libya spent decades under the thumb of a violent despot propped up by the US..." EX500rider Sep 2012 #33

So you see 'them' as simple minded children not up to the level of world culture Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #35

I most certainly do NOT say that the extremists speak for their culture magical thyme Sep 2012 #40

But you are saying that they are extremists because they are of that culture.... Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #46

thank you for that. Whisp Sep 2012 #37

HELLO. This was not about a movie - it was designed attack. Zax2me Sep 2012 #38

HELLO. The protest was a protest. The planned attack took advantage of magical thyme Sep 2012 #42

What you just said, there, offended me and made me mad. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #50

the embassy represents more than just the state authority MariaM83 Sep 2012 #41

Wanton murder in response to offense is ONLY the fault of the actors in the murder TheKentuckian Sep 2012 #52

Sad how propaganda has left these people in the condition in which they find themselves and they lonestarnot Sep 2012 #53

Gaddafi was a puppet and propped up by the US? WTF? ButterflyBlood Sep 2012 #55