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MadHound

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88. Who incited a riot?

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:30 PM

Sep 2012

Jones, the person who made the film? I don't think so. They put a provocative piece about Islam out there, that was all they did, and they were perfectly within their right to do so. The people who responded with violence and death are solely responsible for their own actions.

When a theater was set on fire, and violence occurred over the distribution of The Last Temptation of Christ, where did the responsibility for that lie? With the producer of the film or with the fundy Christians who rioted and perpetrated the violence?

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Sorry, you don't coddle religious fanatics of any stripe. [View all] MadHound Sep 2012 OP

who coddled? nt seabeyond Sep 2012 #1

I also would like to know this. Barack_America Sep 2012 #25

follow the lines. the very argument used about romney is being used by the anti religion on this seabeyond Sep 2012 #42

More "coddle" more buzz words for the talking points. nt nanabugg Sep 2012 #69

"Fanatics inciting fanatics." amandabeech Sep 2012 #99

the film was made by religious fanatics lame54 Sep 2012 #2

Well yeah, but making a film is not equivalent to a murderous rampage. nt Lucy Goosey Sep 2012 #3

never said it was... lame54 Sep 2012 #7

What did Jones do that was illegal? MadHound Sep 2012 #8

fuck illegal... lame54 Sep 2012 #10

This el_bryanto Sep 2012 #14

I didn't... lame54 Sep 2012 #26

Sorry - i was agreeing with you. Apologize if I wasn't clear. n/t el_bryanto Sep 2012 #32

it's all good lame54 Sep 2012 #36

We are a country of laws, MadHound Sep 2012 #15

however, I also realize that irresponsible speech designed to inflame LanternWaste Sep 2012 #72

It's perfectly legal in our system of justice LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #95

Jones made a stupid film. The other fanatics murdered four people. Bake Sep 2012 #60

The argument could be made for civil liability. Barack_America Sep 2012 #29

Perhaps not, but let's imagine Sekhmets Daughter Sep 2012 #18

just did a search on youtube for "pope getting a blow job" snooper2 Sep 2012 #23

I would bet you a 100 dollars Missycim Sep 2012 #24

How soon we forget... LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #78

Really? Sekhmets Daughter Sep 2012 #98

I was referring to videos or cartoon etc, Missycim Sep 2012 #104

I would be fine with that, too Lucy Goosey Sep 2012 #27

You can't be serious. nt. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #59

"the most violent nation in the world... " EX500rider Sep 2012 #75

I should have said in the industrialized world.... Sekhmets Daughter Sep 2012 #102

South Park goes after Mormons all the time.... WCGreen Sep 2012 #81

Exactly. Sekhmets Daughter Sep 2012 #101

Yep, the makers of Third Reich propaganda would agree. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2012 #35

It was likely a deliberate provocation. alarimer Sep 2012 #54

And directly harmed no one 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #12

False equivalence David__77 Sep 2012 #22

not so black and white... lame54 Sep 2012 #30

Yup LondonReign2 Sep 2012 #61

thank you lame54 Sep 2012 #62

Good point, they try to inflame each other treestar Sep 2012 #96

and also "you don't coddle irreligious fanatics of any stripe." nt jody Sep 2012 #4

Haven't seen any of those folks killing innocents, MadHound Sep 2012 #5

George Tiller Rose Siding Sep 2012 #9

Tiller was a fundy Christian, not agnostic or atheist, MadHound Sep 2012 #11

George Tiller was not a fundy Christian. He went to the graveyard, not jail. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #17

He was murdered by fundies, but I did misunderstand and my comment wasn't relevant Rose Siding Sep 2012 #19

How many Nazi propagandists actually killed someone? Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #16

First of all, let me invoke Godwin's law here, MadHound Sep 2012 #34

I reject you invoking Godwin's Law and I do not suggest we bend to religious fanatics... Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #39

Just as far as we bend over for foreign religious fanatics MadHound Sep 2012 #41

He and his ilk need the continuous pressure of condemnation from those who reject Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #44

I agree, MadHound Sep 2012 #46

Absolutely. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #57

Your assertion "don't coddle religious fanatics" doesn't limit to riot. Do you now restate your OP jody Sep 2012 #37

Frankly I'm not getting the point of this post, or your previous one, MadHound Sep 2012 #40

My posts have a single theme "Hate the deed not the person(s)" as in hate riots regardless of whether jody Sep 2012 #43

Thank you for your explanation, MadHound Sep 2012 #45

No offense taken. I pushed a simple point so other readers might focus on the deed not the doers. jody Sep 2012 #48

You cannot separate the deed from the cause LondonReign2 Sep 2012 #66

I see we have different opinions. I can live with that. nt jody Sep 2012 #70

Meaning you don't think that religious fanaticism was the cause for the violence? LondonReign2 Sep 2012 #71

If it were up to me, the religiously violent would be shipped TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #6

So we'd just be left with the regular violent? Union Scribe Sep 2012 #73

Not utopia--but still better. TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #82

I'd be happy to donate $$ to finance the trip. amandabeech Sep 2012 #103

With every right comes a responsibility, Sekhmets Daughter Sep 2012 #13

So we should allow religious fanatics thousands of miles away MadHound Sep 2012 #20

Unrec...over the top...no one is coddling them... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #21

They put out that film to ACHIEVE goal to force US into war with Iran and the entire Muslim world. blm Sep 2012 #28

Spoken from behind the lens and safety... 99Forever Sep 2012 #31

You're right, that powder keg has been packed full for decades, MadHound Sep 2012 #38

HOGWASH. 99Forever Sep 2012 #50

Do you know who Sayyid Qutb is? MadHound Sep 2012 #53

One more time. 99Forever Sep 2012 #63

How do you know it isn't about our culture, MadHound Sep 2012 #84

Because I don't have my head up my ass like a... 99Forever Sep 2012 #100

And BTW, fellow "Democrat"... 99Forever Sep 2012 #105

Discussing/Exploring the social implications of propaganda does not = "coddling" (nt) ehrnst Sep 2012 #33

it was that fucking asshole that made the film. Whisp Sep 2012 #47

Fundamentalist Muslims hate everything about America, MadHound Sep 2012 #49

clean up your own back yard of haters first Whisp Sep 2012 #51

So again, how far are you willing to bend over MadHound Sep 2012 #56

I am not suggesting limited free speech Whisp Sep 2012 #58

How do we bend over and accommodate them? treestar Sep 2012 #97

nobody's coddled anyone. Obama said they would be brought to justice. spanone Sep 2012 #52

No, I condemn both actions. alarimer Sep 2012 #55

Do you think inciting to violence is 'the act of a civilized people'? closeupready Sep 2012 #64

You're the one coddling the filmmaker lunatica Sep 2012 #65

+1 JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #77

Agreed. Alduin Sep 2012 #67

They will be brought to justice, but something people should ecstatic Sep 2012 #68

Hey, are you a shill or just tragically naive? false flags a-go-go Sep 2012 #74

Well, considering I've been around here a hell of lot longer than you, MadHound Sep 2012 #86

I agree with Madhound and further more.. EX500rider Sep 2012 #76

We should recall our ambassador and refuse to have official relations WCGreen Sep 2012 #79

You realize the Libyan government already condemned the killings, right? LondonReign2 Sep 2012 #80

Did not, just woke up from a long sleep and because I don't watch TV news first thing, WCGreen Sep 2012 #83

Yes LondonReign2 Sep 2012 #85

Then I stand corrected. WCGreen Sep 2012 #90

Okay, so we do coddle religious fanatics when they incite riots... Iggo Sep 2012 #87

Who incited a riot? MadHound Sep 2012 #88

I do think so. Iggo Sep 2012 #89

So in your view, the people who fired the rocket launcher bear no blame, MadHound Sep 2012 #92

No. Iggo Sep 2012 #94

you do, when they're *your* religious fanatics BOG PERSON Sep 2012 #91

Does Dove World Outreach Center pay taxes? LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #93