Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Response to Meg_Griffin_1 (Reply #80)

Public employees are employed to serve the needs of the citizenry. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #1
Economic times are tough forthemiddle Sep 2012 #7
Apparently you missed this: Poll shows strong support for chicago teachers HiPointDem Sep 2012 #27
That poll doesn't say anything about supporting a strike Freddie Stubbs Sep 2012 #29
"they were joined by many of the very people who are most inconvenienced by their walkout" Hissyspit Sep 2012 #134
Hey He Has Been Here Since 2001 With Less Than 50 Posts HangOnKids Sep 2012 #75
I think you are right that part of human nature says "I have it tough, so should they". BUT pampango Sep 2012 #43
This is not the 1st time the economy has dipped or fallen. Teachers are society's scapegoats today. MichiganVote Sep 2012 #100
Even with Government jobs, we don't have a right to work public servants like slaves. Zalatix Sep 2012 #12
The same labor dynamic exists in public employment as private. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #16
Good work NEVER comes cheap. People keep trying to circumvent that and it never works. Zalatix Sep 2012 #187
Is $76,000 annually for 9 months work "starvation"? lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #227
No, but they're worth WELL over $76K and teachers around here don't make nearly that much. Zalatix Sep 2012 #232
Only in Lake Woebegone is everyone worth more than average. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #233
The good ones certainly are WinniSkipper Sep 2012 #236
We don't have to sink to the market rate. eomer Sep 2012 #222
The people paying the bills are not insulated from "the market rate". lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #224
Progressive taxation will take care of that. eomer Sep 2012 #235
"...we don't have a right to work public servants like slaves." porphyrian Sep 2012 #24
FIY tama Sep 2012 #39
The contract that they will eventually accept won't affect privatized schools in any way. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #179
Awwww... tama Sep 2012 #203
Tell me you're not a teacher. Please. n/t lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #218
You are not a public employee's employer obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #70
Agreed. Iris Sep 2012 #266
Not individually, no. Collectively? Yes. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #273
Actually, I do not consider my son's teachers my employees. Chorophyll Sep 2012 #126
The pecking order is this: lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #178
that's a pretty narrow view of the world... Javaman Sep 2012 #212
Who is "the school district"? lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #215
Oh for fuck sakes. Javaman Sep 2012 #219
So long as teachers aren't striking, it's being run properly? Does it matter if kids are learning? lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #223
and your point is? I answered you about civics then throw this at me? Javaman Sep 2012 #230
That's your assertion, not mine. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #231
Look, what ever gets you though the night. Javaman Sep 2012 #239
Yeah. You said that. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #240
Nice try, but we're still done. Javaman Sep 2012 #260
Hysterical. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #262
Sure why not? Javaman Sep 2012 #263
Ah, not to argue over this as I agree as far as your list of adults goes, more or less. NYC_SKP Sep 2012 #213
I have to disagree, and I don't think I've failed civics 101, thank you. Chorophyll Sep 2012 #226
The purpose of unions is to bargain collectively. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #228
Your sense of entitlement is stunning. Chorophyll Sep 2012 #270
The teacher to student ratio is 1:20 in CPS grade schools. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #271
Thank you. Iris Sep 2012 #267
You're welcome. Chorophyll Sep 2012 #268
Yes - you don't exactly expect to see the term "pecking order" Iris Sep 2012 #278
Yep. And sanitation workers, cops, firefighters -- all self-employed! Chorophyll Sep 2012 #283
Would you like them to pick some cotton for you too, massa suh? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #201
If you think that the policy and conduct of your school district is none of your business... lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #216
Do you believe your education is important or secondary? lunatica Sep 2012 #208
That's a compelling argument. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #217
They're citizens, too. Zalatix Sep 2012 #241
Absolutely. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #243
Ah, good blame the victim logic right there. Zalatix Sep 2012 #244
Victim?? Jesus. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #247
They called the strike because they wanted improvements in working conditions. Zalatix Sep 2012 #255
+1 nt Javaman Sep 2012 #261
I don't know. Maybe if you have three kids and have nowhere else to send them to school ... GodlessBiker Sep 2012 #2
Do you know why a crab bucket doesn't need a lid? Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #10
+1,000!!! Zalatix Sep 2012 #13
This 100% obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #71
I grew up in the desert. Arizona, to be specific. I live in Portland, OR now, but have no clue... boppers Sep 2012 #139
Every time one crab tries to climb out of the bucket, the other crabs drag him back down. n/t backscatter712 Sep 2012 #152
Thank you. boppers Sep 2012 #157
Sorry, mountain boy myself. When you go crabbing you just bring a pail and as Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #159
This does not supercede the right to strike obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #72
It wasn't meant to supercede the right to strike. It was meant to show... GodlessBiker Sep 2012 #90
And if... YvonneCa Sep 2012 #132
Maybe if you had three kids you'd be worried about the kind of country they sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #91
EXCELLENT post. n/t YvonneCa Sep 2012 #138
Plenty of teachers are single parents and their bills pile up too. MichiganVote Sep 2012 #104
Oh, forget it. You win. All liberals are equally politically sophisticated. GodlessBiker Sep 2012 #121
That's too nuanced for the 'you're either with us or against us' crowd. randome Sep 2012 #123
People understand nuance, but at some point you do have to pick a side usually. Hissyspit Sep 2012 #130
I do not support Karen Lewis wanting a 29% pay increase. randome Sep 2012 #135
How is "not informed" a bad *argument* for why people might be against the strike? boppers Sep 2012 #140
Hell, yeah, give me more information. randome Sep 2012 #145
Really? Hissyspit Sep 2012 #165
Yes. The question was "why". boppers Sep 2012 #172
I understood the question. Hissyspit Sep 2012 #183
So, to be a liberal, you have to be highly aware of all current issues? boppers Sep 2012 #195
This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Sep 2012 #198
It's not a purity test at all. Hissyspit Sep 2012 #199
Here;s the OP for reference: boppers Sep 2012 #200
And the rebuttal is a Jeff Foxworthy line: you may not be a liberal... eomer Sep 2012 #264
How low we have sunk. boppers Sep 2012 #282
Somebody has sunk, don't think it's me. eomer Sep 2012 #284
You are right about the need to learn about the interconncetedness of things. When I... YvonneCa Sep 2012 #143
Striking Chicago Teachers Get Support From Parents Hissyspit Sep 2012 #133
As a Democrat kctim Sep 2012 #3
". . . . . . for you all not to consider them Republican?" Stinky The Clown Sep 2012 #6
I get what you mean, but the last sentence needs work. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #11
Depends how you define liberal. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #4
I'd like somebody to tell me how it is possible to say that liberals should ALWAYS do anything. renie408 Sep 2012 #5
Simple. You can't. Now, you can certainly be a Democrat and be strongly anti-worker, just look Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #8
What profits? lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #14
There are plenty of profits when the public sphere is privatized, which is what's been happening HiPointDem Sep 2012 #28
It is a background issue, not central to the strike. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #32
It is *not* a background issue, it's at the core of the evaluations issue. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #35
Charter schools are the central part of this strike obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #73
My issue is not with teacher pay joeglow3 Sep 2012 #23
Out of curiosity, what do you think Chicago teachers are paid? n/t lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #34
Pay scale tops out at about $92K for a teacher with PhD and 20 years in. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #40
We agree that privatized schools are a problem. But that's not the topic. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #55
16% is a bargaining position that carries with it, e.g. higher employee payments for health benefits HiPointDem Sep 2012 #57
Okay, fine. Point out the teacher analagous to Bill Gates in the CPS system. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #65
There isn't likely to be any teacher analogous to bill gates. but the 'average" *is* right-skewed HiPointDem Sep 2012 #77
[citation neeeded] boppers Sep 2012 #144
This is directly from the school district lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #181
i'm not sure why you think that negates my example. In my example on the misleading nature HiPointDem Sep 2012 #202
it doesn't fascisthunter Sep 2012 #238
Your contention is that an average figure doesn't give an accurate idea of the pay of each teacher. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #245
where's that, jeff? btw, of course you know that the rahm gang passed a law that limited HiPointDem Sep 2012 #246
Third time's a charm lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #248
Because they can bargain for the other demands using salary as leverage. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #249
Here's what will happen. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #250
what don't you understand about 'there is no fucking 16% raise.' that's a bargaining position, and HiPointDem Sep 2012 #251
We'll see. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #252
if all they wanted was a raise, they could have got it on day one. because rahm came in with HiPointDem Sep 2012 #253
I support collective bargaining. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #254
Saying 'i support the chicago teachers strike' and 'chicago teachers make too much money' = HiPointDem Sep 2012 #256
I've never said the former. nt lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #259
Senate Bill 7 was the work of Jonah Edelman, his corporate reform group Stand for Children, and HiPointDem Sep 2012 #258
I do not think it negates anything. boppers Sep 2012 #280
Corporate media tama Sep 2012 #59
you realize that the atlanta cheating scandal is fallout from the move to high-stakes testing, HiPointDem Sep 2012 #37
That is a local issue and has nothing whatsoever to do with this. Yes, people have let their school Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #197
+1,000 for the cookie joke! Zalatix Sep 2012 #188
It is not possible. mmonk Sep 2012 #9
Because some people had bad experiences MicaelS Sep 2012 #15
I don't think there is a single person that contends that the schools are not screwed up and that Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #17
I will take you at your word that you don't want a flame war, and will answer you in kind: msanthrope Sep 2012 #18
Actually, I'm not pretending it is about anything. Stinky The Clown Sep 2012 #20
I didn't mean to imply that 'you' were pretending...I just think Karen Lewis has been disengenuous msanthrope Sep 2012 #21
All I know about the CPS is a handful of teachers I've known over the years... Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2012 #41
I have no complaint with the compensation, mind you. But when you add in the 5:45 msanthrope Sep 2012 #45
I'll take their word over your misrepresentation tama Sep 2012 #46
What you are implying is illegal and undemocratic. A union is obliged to follow the laws msanthrope Sep 2012 #51
I'm not impressed tama Sep 2012 #56
No, your numbers are wrong. Zoeisright Sep 2012 #53
As I said below, I don't have a problem with the pay. I agree with you that msanthrope Sep 2012 #63
Here is the relevant info from CPS: Teachers - $74,839 annually. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #67
Take home pay typically does not include.... boppers Sep 2012 #146
Teachers in Chicago don't pay SS tax. n/t lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #180
You should look for a teacher. They might be able to help you understand statistics. jeff47 Sep 2012 #92
Aren't liberals free to believe what they want? porphyrian Sep 2012 #19
I won't blindly support anyone, including striking teachers joeglow3 Sep 2012 #22
Yes, everything and everyone should be viewed objectively. randome Sep 2012 #25
Do CPAs have a 3-5 year probationary period before they are deemed "real" CPAs with rights? HiPointDem Sep 2012 #30
Yes, they do. joeglow3 Sep 2012 #50
Turnover rates at the Big 4 firms are irrelevant to anything. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #52
Of course they are......now. joeglow3 Sep 2012 #62
You can't RegieRocker Sep 2012 #26
It depends on what they are striking for.... Walk away Sep 2012 #31
The union is not bargaining for smaller class size. msanthrope Sep 2012 #54
It would be fun to watch tama Sep 2012 #61
I don't think it would be fun. I think the union is msanthrope Sep 2012 #66
Then stop tama Sep 2012 #69
When you've told someone to 'shut up' it indicates that you have no argument. msanthrope Sep 2012 #83
You tama Sep 2012 #93
And now you are quoting Clint Eastwood? nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #109
I like the guy tama Sep 2012 #115
Hell of a speaker, too, right? nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #142
Yup. :) tama Sep 2012 #150
Sorry, they are asking for more assistant teachers s so that there are more teachers/assistants/.... Walk away Sep 2012 #257
I support all striking workers: it's this kind of half-arsed attitude towards unions that weakens MatthewStLouis Sep 2012 #33
Heartily agree HERVEPA Sep 2012 #44
Teaching and learning tama Sep 2012 #49
I stand in support, too. All the way. Solidarity! Zalatix Sep 2012 #189
Its simple... You Can't! krhines Sep 2012 #36
Party first tama Sep 2012 #38
You can't get blood out of a turnip. avebury Sep 2012 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #112
I think some UAW contracts in the 70s were out of control. So sometimes the union might be wrong. Logical Sep 2012 #47
Labor cost is less than 10% of a vehicle. does that sound out of control to you? HiPointDem Sep 2012 #78
To the argument of the CPA and MD and other professionals who lose licenses... cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #48
Teachers also cannot self employ aka hang out a shingle obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #81
26,000 Chicago teachers are on strike...26,000!! Teamster Jeff Sep 2012 #58
blind 100% support for any issue without know the facts rdking647 Sep 2012 #95
Scab Teamster Jeff Sep 2012 #119
Then you're a lackluster citizen. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #182
Lackluster would be having only a single, simplistic dimension to your membership in society. eomer Sep 2012 #265
a) where did I say "taxpayer"? lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #269
You said: "The teachers are negotiating with you, via your representatives." eomer Sep 2012 #276
In order to answer your question, I think we would need a solid working coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #60
I'm the daughter of unionized teachers gollygee Sep 2012 #64
It isn't obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #68
I am absolutely amazed at the replies to this post. Stinky The Clown Sep 2012 #74
Ignorant Propagandists Are Gonna Spread Propaganda. N/T HangOnKids Sep 2012 #79
It's been like this all week obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #82
You should have picked it up by now..... KoKo Sep 2012 #87
So you just wanted to hear affirmations of your own opinion? randome Sep 2012 #88
No shit. I'm appalled at how people who disagreed with the OP were treated. great white snark Sep 2012 #107
Do Tell. How were they "treated'? Stinky The Clown Sep 2012 #114
Omaha Steve got dozens of union members to sign up when WI was happening. Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #117
+1 Union Scribe Sep 2012 #174
the anti-union propaganda runs deep. Javaman Sep 2012 #220
+1 leftstreet Sep 2012 #229
It ain't possible. - K&R n/t DeSwiss Sep 2012 #76
HOME SCHOOLED!!! Meg_Griffin_1 Sep 2012 #80
omg obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #84
LOL Teamster Jeff Sep 2012 #85
Awesome! You know to the dollar what your kids are worth. Very nice, very nice. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2012 #86
For The Win HangOnKids Sep 2012 #141
If you read the post again, no worth was mentioned by them. boppers Sep 2012 #149
Maybe you should read my post a second time, or a third DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2012 #168
I did. You replied to a poster talking about their children's income, but made a remark about worth. boppers Sep 2012 #173
Getting closer. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2012 #186
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Sep 2012 #136
Same here, but some people can NOT afford that. Zalatix Sep 2012 #192
Yep Dorian Gray Sep 2012 #207
The OP was about DEMS supporting teachers Doctor_J Sep 2012 #211
i posted yesterday saying i though the strike was a mistake rdking647 Sep 2012 #89
The strike should have happened a long time ago. It should have happened as sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #96
maybe it should have happened a long time ago rdking647 Sep 2012 #99
Do you know what they want? You don't seem to frankly. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #103
what they want will cost money. period rdking647 Sep 2012 #106
What Rahm and his corporate buddies want has cost the taxpayers millions. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #113
We can't pay our teachers more, but we can pay for drone strikes and tax breaks for the rich??? Zalatix Sep 2012 #194
What I find especially...interesting...is why objectivity like yours is castigated. randome Sep 2012 #97
i actually had to report a post for the first time ever yesterday rdking647 Sep 2012 #102
I respect you for your insight bigwillq Sep 2012 #110
Jesus, it's almost like 'coming out', isn't it? randome Sep 2012 #111
No need to come out. Most everyone here already knows. Zorra Sep 2012 #129
Because critical thinking skills are not valued by some DUers. I get it. randome Sep 2012 #131
You gotta shoot for the moon ~ Zorra Sep 2012 #193
You talk of critical thinking skills but it's obvious... Javaman Sep 2012 #221
Fair point. randome Sep 2012 #225
No shit! Union Scribe Sep 2012 #176
you are not what I would consider a liberal fascisthunter Sep 2012 #160
what is labeled a liberal here in most of teh world would be label far left fringe rdking647 Sep 2012 #169
Where, Iran? Union Scribe Sep 2012 #177
does being a liberal mean you have to support every single so called liberal idea? rdking647 Sep 2012 #94
What is a Liberal to you? I am a Democrat and Democrats traditionally support the sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #101
in general i support unions rdking647 Sep 2012 #105
If you supported the teachers in Wisconsin, it doesn't make any sense that you wouldn't support proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #125
That is very definitely worth striking over! randome Sep 2012 #127
Texas. Got it. Can you be a bit more specific. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #153
How is it possible to be a Democrat and not support a Democratic Mayor? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #108
By declaring tama Sep 2012 #116
I'm a liberal American first and foremost... mike_c Sep 2012 #118
You can put your mind at ease, Stinky. Zorra Sep 2012 #120
My thoughts exactly! n/t backscatter712 Sep 2012 #147
I don't think you can, to me to be anti-union is the arthritisR_US Sep 2012 #122
I support unions in general, but that doesn't mean liberals have to support 100% Proles Sep 2012 #124
Of course the question was about striking teachers. Teachers on strike. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #154
Well you're right, I should have read the question more closely. I thought it said unions. Proles Sep 2012 #163
"of course i support unions...teachers...just not in *this* case....or any other case that comes HiPointDem Sep 2012 #288
Oh, they are lying about being liberals - just like our politicians. Edweird Sep 2012 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Sep 2012 #137
That's right. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #151
why do you think madfloridan left...... madrchsod Sep 2012 #148
I do support the teachers and hope they get what they are asking for bluestateguy Sep 2012 #155
That's an easy one....... Swede Atlanta Sep 2012 #156
The problem isn't just the money. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #158
no fascisthunter Sep 2012 #161
And liberals are never sociopaths? Or want to be rich? randome Sep 2012 #162
If you're behaving sociopathically, that is by definition not liberal. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #166
Did you get an answer to your question? randome Sep 2012 #164
do you realize what an incredible opportunity has been wasted? ibegurpard Sep 2012 #167
heres a hypothetical question rdking647 Sep 2012 #170
You Have Now Gone From Being Obtuse To Being Absurd HangOnKids Sep 2012 #175
haha fascisthunter Sep 2012 #237
Unfortunately, the message has been muddied. Reader Rabbit Sep 2012 #171
precisely! ibegurpard Sep 2012 #191
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #184
It's possible to be a liberal and not support lots of things. To be liberal is to be part of a herd cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #185
So tama Sep 2012 #204
I think every working man in this country should stop B Calm Sep 2012 #190
What do you think DemocratsForProgress Sep 2012 #196
I'm sincerely sorry tama Sep 2012 #206
And I'm sincerely sorry DemocratsForProgress Sep 2012 #274
Jumping into personal attack tama Sep 2012 #275
Had you made this comment originally, I'd have taken your meaning. DemocratsForProgress Sep 2012 #277
No need to apology tama Sep 2012 #281
kiitos n/t DemocratsForProgress Sep 2012 #285
<3 tama Sep 2012 #286
I'm not interested in getting attention of the power-elite tama Sep 2012 #205
I think woo me with science Sep 2012 #210
You aren't talking to liberals. You aren't even talking to "centrists." woo me with science Sep 2012 #209
You'll see, in my OP, that I asked for a discussion . . . . . Stinky The Clown Sep 2012 #214
You asked a very specific question, and you got a very specific answer. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #234
Sad state of affairs here. n/t Iris Sep 2012 #279
Heh tama Sep 2012 #287
amen. it makes one very sad. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #289
It would be possible if the teachers' demands were unrealistic. OneTenthofOnePercent Sep 2012 #242
it's not possible, Stinky. bigtree Sep 2012 #272
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»I'd like someone to tell ...»Reply #98