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panader0

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28. The events on that day are arguably the greatest watershed moment in our history.

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:12 PM

Sep 2012

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan came from those events. Why should it be considered wrong to discuss this earth shattering event?

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Listening to msnbc 9/11 coverage, something really bothering me [View all] madaboutharry Sep 2012 OP

It was over 30 min. until the 2nd plane hit the WTC DontTreadOnMe Sep 2012 #1

Always thought that was out of character abelenkpe Sep 2012 #41

35 minutes Politicalboi Sep 2012 #51

I'm with you madaboutharry. NO one will ever convince me that TPTB didn't snappyturtle Sep 2012 #2

...and we STILL haven't seen the unedited TAPES (like more than 10) of the pentagon hit.... uponit7771 Sep 2012 #3

I never understood why those damn "emergency alert" tests we suffered through for years Happyhippychick Sep 2012 #4

Michael Moore did a movie on that riverbendviewgal Sep 2012 #5

Clarke's book is excellent... Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #54

Remember that when they finally got the planes scrambled, they were NOT armed. They were Pirate Smile Sep 2012 #6

No - they were armed hack89 Sep 2012 #15

Here in Philly BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #25

They were from JRB Willow Grove. Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #48

The "terrorist" made it easy to shoot them down Politicalboi Sep 2012 #58

There were two closer bases that somehow didn't respond with F 16s. IggleDoer Sep 2012 #65

Those bases did not have strip alert interceptors hack89 Sep 2012 #67

The other thing Mick said... Atman Sep 2012 #7

Its not all as simple as it seems... Whiskeytide Sep 2012 #8

ooo...logical Patiod Sep 2012 #11

I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. madaboutharry Sep 2012 #18

If it is all "conspiracy theory" than why did the PNAC have their plans all written up already? rwsanders Sep 2012 #30

Shhhhhh! Politicalboi Sep 2012 #60

And right out of their playbook "The Pearl Harbor of the 21st century took place today" RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #69

but when a small plane breached the airspace near the Pres. O in Seattle, the fighters were there progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #26

interesting RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #71

Do you think that things are done differently after 9/11? nt hack89 Sep 2012 #84

Air traffic controllers have "the authority" to recognize planes in the wrong airspace. Atman Sep 2012 #27

Random. You're funny. PNAC even stated in their docs they wanted another Pearl Harbor. valerief Sep 2012 #31

So true Politicalboi Sep 2012 #62

I translate your post, Whiskeytide: Our military leadership was incompetent and lacked the JDPriestly Sep 2012 #36

I agree with pretty much all of what you say... Whiskeytide Sep 2012 #72

Thanks. I hope that planes have now been equipped so that this kind of even cannot occur. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #105

Another amazing live comment... Atman Sep 2012 #9

It was being reported on national news, Katy Couric among others, MadHound Sep 2012 #10

Good question. PearliePoo2 Sep 2012 #12

There were 14 planes on alert at 7 sites on 9/11 hack89 Sep 2012 #14

Yes, they knew where the hijacked planes were, MadHound Sep 2012 #22

All planes had turned off the transponders louis-t Sep 2012 #29

Umm, radar? MadHound Sep 2012 #32

Gee, if radar can track every plane in the sky, why even have transponders? louis-t Sep 2012 #40

Radar can see the planes. Atman Sep 2012 #42

Sure it would... Whiskeytide Sep 2012 #76

There was a lot of time. Atman Sep 2012 #85

20 different guys.. Whiskeytide Sep 2012 #92

To whom did they yell? Atman Sep 2012 #94

I'm not apologizing for anyone. But I'm also not blaming people... Whiskeytide Sep 2012 #104

Radar can see aircraft with transponders off. Mainly, the transponders are for exact indentificatio ladjf Sep 2012 #37

The air traffic control system is a cooperative system hack89 Sep 2012 #45

I believe that your statement that "controllers do not see actual radar return" is not true. ladjf Sep 2012 #68

So nice during a time of war the enemy is honorable enough to leave their transponder on RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #73

The air traffic control system is not a military system, is it? hack89 Sep 2012 #75

The FAA notifies the military when a plane veers off course or shut off a transponder RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #79

Where to start. hack89 Sep 2012 #82

What do you mean "beside the Payne Stewart incident"????? Atman Sep 2012 #86

The Payne Stewart intercept was an ad hoc affair that took nearly 90 minutes hack89 Sep 2012 #88

You're right. Atman Sep 2012 #87

No - there is not a huge system hack89 Sep 2012 #89

"Inland?" Atman Sep 2012 #90

Let me explain hack89 Sep 2012 #91

Meanwhile, ATC in Boston would have noted that they lost a plane. Atman Sep 2012 #95

No - the plane was not under Boston control anymore hack89 Sep 2012 #96

Not true. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #99

You misunderstood my post hack89 Sep 2012 #100

I still don't see how that makes much difference... Atman Sep 2012 #101

Because radar is not a magic lantern that illuminates everything hack89 Sep 2012 #103

They turned off the IFF transponders hack89 Sep 2012 #43

Bullshit that no one knew where they were! Atman Sep 2012 #23

First off, the ATC system is built around IFF transponders hack89 Sep 2012 #47

Thank you! louis-t Sep 2012 #53

I believe that our military is used for Defense RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #74

There is not a huge system of military radars covering America hack89 Sep 2012 #78

the military has no RADAR capable of watching the skies within the country? RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #80

Look for yourself hack89 Sep 2012 #83

Katie Couric never reported that 4 planes sufrommich Sep 2012 #13

Yes, she did. MadHound Sep 2012 #20

No, she didn't and you saying you saw it sufrommich Sep 2012 #33

watch it again SansACause Sep 2012 #50

You have a false memory cpwm17 Sep 2012 #93

there was an exercise that day, run out of the situation room by Cheney grasswire Sep 2012 #52

So a reporter repeated a rumor during an attack on the US. sufrommich Sep 2012 #16

What I noticed was the broadcaster's total lack of showing empathy toward the horror Auntie Bush Sep 2012 #17

With over an hour of warning, the Republican Pentagon could not muster even a pop gun Berlum Sep 2012 #19

we are expected to believe Rumsfeld had no idea of the attacks until a plane hit the pentagon 1 hour RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #77

I never ever understood WHY box cutters and BIG knives were ever allowed in the cabin anyway. SoapBox Sep 2012 #21

How come when I mentioned this broadcast, my thread got locked? Atman Sep 2012 #24

The events on that day are arguably the greatest watershed moment in our history. panader0 Sep 2012 #28

Pearl Harbor? FreeJoe Sep 2012 #63

I will forever believe that cheney had something to do with it. /nt mwb970 Sep 2012 #34

lots of wild speculation, gross armchair quarterbacking in this thread. pasto76 Sep 2012 #35

Bush kept us SAFE! always remember that Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #38

I would agree with you but for one important point... Atman Sep 2012 #39

It's a real stretch to think our $600BB/year Pentagon couldn't protect itself. Old and In the Way Sep 2012 #49

they expect us to believe that the RADAR was looking outward,military has no RADAR within country RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #81

August 5, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing: Myrina Sep 2012 #44

I'll never forget the look on Condi's face as she was forced to recite Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #56

It was CHENEY who ordered the military to stand down RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #46

And it was Rumsfeld who ordered a change in NORAD & FAA radar management... patrice Sep 2012 #61

yes--standing orders are to scramble instantly on a threat, someone high up must tell them librechik Sep 2012 #55

Here's someone who would have had some answers... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #97

RIP on its face the whole event stinks to high heaven librechik Sep 2012 #98

If we're capable of asking these questions, why didn't Congress? Are they stupid, or what???? patrice Sep 2012 #57

they were underfunded, given a vicious deadline and get this NO subpoena power librechik Sep 2012 #102

Four hijacked airliners are a lower priority than one golfer in a tiny plane n/t arcane1 Sep 2012 #59

MSNBC is propaganda, it's full of lies, constant steady lies and coverups. just1voice Sep 2012 #64

listening to the old msnbc tapes, I have something else that bothers me Whisp Sep 2012 #66

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