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Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
33. Doesn't really wash.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 01:48 AM
Sep 2012

The woman from the OP was raped by her (now ex) boyfriend.
Women in the 60's wore mini-skirts, but rapists rape 80 year old ladies too. NO.

To extend the argument I made to the woman in the OP - he was her boyfriend, she'd probably already done allowed him in her car without repercussions, and if there were diamonds on the front seat next to the keys and the Wii he'd never stolen them before and he'd never raped her before either.

Here's the thing. RAPE isn't about SEX. It isn't about desire. It's about POWER. This bozo HAD her as a girlfriend. If she wanted to wait and he didn't, then he needed to negotiate or find another willing partner. INSTEAD he chose to violate her trust and take what he wanted.

To extend the argument I made to the teacher and the answer key. Wearing a mini skirt or being in a private place with someone you have previously trusted, isn't like having the answer key on your desk and walking away. A rapist is going after the "key" that's safely tucked away in a private place and a rapist has to go through a person to get at that key. So again, this layer of blame you are assigning is a myth and the example not even comparable.

To extend the argument I made to the Bankers and regulations. Wearing a mini skirt or being in a private place with someone you have previously trusted, isn't like expecting that every banker is an honest banker. We aren't talking about money and some manipulation of funds or hidden accounting books, we are talking about physical, personal violation. Rape is already against the law. Banking regulations that would be stronger would regulate the bankers not the customer. So stronger laws against rape should not penalize the victim either.

If you leave all your presents in the trunk, with the trunk open, most people blame themselves and not the thief.

So if you have the trunk open because your boyfriend/girlfriend is supposed to be helping you bring them into the house and the boyfriend/girlfriend changes their mind and steals all the presents and beats you and tells you that you deserved it, then you blame yourself, not the person who just flipped into phsyco mode on you?

Or if you have a hatch back instead of a car with a trunk and even though your presents aren't showing there is more window to view inside of your car, so that makes it your fault when a thief uses a crowbar on your window, takes your presents and beats you while telling you it's your fault.

It is stunning that we still have these attitudes in this day and age. GreenPartyVoter Sep 2012 #1
I posted it because ir reminded me of a friend of mine who was raped. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #2
Thank you, Odin2005! pnwmom Sep 2012 #76
we have been dehumanizing women to such an extent, it really is not surprising or stunning. seabeyond Sep 2012 #3
hear here! BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2012 #56
i havent seen you for a while seabeyond Sep 2012 #64
thanks sea :) BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2012 #86
And then there are those who push back against the darkness. chknltl Sep 2012 #67
you seabeyond Sep 2012 #89
We each do what we can. chknltl Sep 2012 #96
It's an absolute national disgrace! Do they not realize we are in the 21st Century? calimary Sep 2012 #77
they get it. and they miss the past. they want it back. but ya, seabeyond Sep 2012 #91
Rape and assault is down across the board 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #93
+1 Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #83
My regards for the lady taking a tough stand! mazzarro Sep 2012 #4
Mine too. n/t susanna Sep 2012 #29
I heard a story... In a 60's Women's Studies class one brave man, a policeman.... Tigress DEM Sep 2012 #5
The argument's extendible. Igel Sep 2012 #16
You're honestly going to try to defend the "she was asking for it" meme? eggplant Sep 2012 #19
Do you tell your daughters to get hammered and walk through a frat, naked on a friday night? joeglow3 Sep 2012 #66
Even if they were hammered, butt naked and walked though a frat on a friday night.. truebrit71 Sep 2012 #69
NO FUCKING SHIT joeglow3 Sep 2012 #90
I'm being dramatic? eggplant Sep 2012 #84
No, you are being obtuse. joeglow3 Sep 2012 #92
You're right about one thing TomClash Sep 2012 #22
Absolute key difference in the situations lolly Sep 2012 #32
^best response LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #88
Doesn't really wash. Tigress DEM Sep 2012 #33
I have no idea why you think she was raped by her ex-boyfriend TorchTheWitch Sep 2012 #36
I come away with the same thing, too SemperEadem Sep 2012 #47
Title of the OP - "My Rapist Doesn't Know He's A Rapist" Tigress DEM Sep 2012 #97
OK, I see what you are saying now. Boyfriend only an ass. Tigress DEM Sep 2012 #98
You talk about logic by bringing up totally unrelated arguments lunatica Sep 2012 #37
Click and Clack would rate the above response with drynberg Sep 2012 #41
My God Oilwellian Sep 2012 #48
Are you comparing men holding themselves back from raping women gollygee Sep 2012 #49
It's, also, extendable the other way ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #68
To extend on your argument felix_numinous Sep 2012 #72
Do you not realize how appalling your post is? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #73
So, tell your daughter it is okay to lay naked, drunk, on a Frat floor. joeglow3 Sep 2012 #95
You're losing the context zipplewrath Sep 2012 #75
I remember back in the '80's when the then Minneapolis chief of police azurnoir Sep 2012 #6
Welcome back, to the pre 80s HockeyMom Sep 2012 #7
K&R Chorophyll Sep 2012 #8
She is brave. murielm99 Sep 2012 #9
+1 shireen Sep 2012 #10
It's that whole "damaged goods" thing. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #27
I agree on the 'damaged goods' lunatica Sep 2012 #38
"We don't get executed for being raped." Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #55
Even then if your skirt was too short, well it's your fault lunatica Sep 2012 #59
Part of that is the myth that men can't control themselves.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #74
+1. and, when i actually say men are more than this, and defend men, i am called a "man hater" seabeyond Sep 2012 #78
Part of that is the culture under Capitalism where the very culture is a marketplace,... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #79
i can go with all that. seabeyond Sep 2012 #80
What can I say, most of my friends are women. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #81
lol seabeyond Sep 2012 #82
Who here called you a "man hater" for defending men? 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #94
She is taking ownership of the event & power over her rapist & by extension over all rapists. Yay! Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #11
YES! Cha Sep 2012 #12
I love courage! TahitiNut Sep 2012 #13
Have we made any progress? The Traveler Sep 2012 #14
It's a game we all play, Igel Sep 2012 #18
What possible justification can you use to say that the victim deserves ANY of the blame? eggplant Sep 2012 #20
Burkas for all! TomClash Sep 2012 #23
k and r niyad Sep 2012 #15
Sometimes behavior of individuals in our society truly shocks me... jimlup Sep 2012 #17
Silently sobs. Whovian Sep 2012 #21
"My friends gave me dirty looks" TomClash Sep 2012 #24
Whoops, thought for a moment that this was a Julian Assange thread. (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #25
When are these idiots going to get it that rape is NOT a sexual act. Marie Marie Sep 2012 #26
Uh the rapist of the woman in the pic oviously thought it was a sexual act. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #28
Wow! I don't usually challenge people on DU assuming everyone has the right to their own opinion. Marie Marie Sep 2012 #31
Well, but . . . caseymoz Sep 2012 #51
This really surprises and shocks me coming from you lunatica Sep 2012 #39
I didn't mean to imply that it power has nothing to do with it. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #43
Look at it this way lunatica Sep 2012 #45
You did say most men feel it isn't sex caseymoz Sep 2012 #65
That's like saying a serial killer who gets sexual satisfaction is only doing it for sex lunatica Sep 2012 #85
I never said "only." caseymoz Sep 2012 #87
If I am raped ismnotwasm Sep 2012 #53
Because it might be the truth? caseymoz Sep 2012 #70
I agree--lots of times it's about power AND sex. nt raccoon Sep 2012 #40
i think so too. entitlement to sex. that is ultimately about power. his want more important seabeyond Sep 2012 #44
It's still rape lunatica Sep 2012 #46
You're preaching to the choir. nt raccoon Sep 2012 #54
I hope so because there's doubt when you ever say rape is sex lunatica Sep 2012 #57
+1000 dotymed Sep 2012 #52
It is heinous what this woman and so many others emmadoggy Sep 2012 #30
K&R Hard to believe that there are so many people that would be glad to see us (you) go back. n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #34
Fucking hell, this shit pisses me off Suji to Seoul Sep 2012 #35
Kudos to her! KitSileya Sep 2012 #42
Tell me this isn't happening in 2012 USA! caseymoz Sep 2012 #50
In one's best detergent selling voice.... nightscanner59 Sep 2012 #58
I love her courage! beachgirl2365 Sep 2012 #60
!!! Odin2005 Sep 2012 #61
Jumping in after reading through all the replies: maddiemom Sep 2012 #62
heart heaven05 Sep 2012 #63
right click save w0nderer Sep 2012 #71
The Watering-down of the Phrase Sexual Assault andsh3burns Oct 2012 #99
Did you join DU just to post this misogynistic crap? Lucy Goosey Oct 2012 #100
Get a New Dictionary...this whole post is Misandric. andsh3burns Oct 2012 #101
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