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Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:47 PM

14. Looks like the same technology they used for The Irishman movie.

Digital facial modification to make people look like any age they want.

This was discussed extensively in the Netflix special on the making of that movie.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irishman#Visual_effects

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There's a great deal of CGI because we're doing this youthification of De Niro, Pesci, and Al Pacino. They had to be CGI [...] Why I'm concerned, we're all concerned is that we're so used to watching them as the older faces. When we put them all together, it cuts back and forth [...] Now, it's real. Now, I'm seeing it. Now, certain shots need more work on the eyes, need more work on why these exactly the same eyes from the plate shot, but the wrinkles and things have changed. Does it change the eyes at all? If that's the case, what was in the eyes that I liked? Was it intensity? Was it gravitas? Was it threat?

—Martin Scorsese speaking on The A24 Podcast on May 15, 2019

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Visual Effects

Industrial Light & Magic and visual effects supervisor Pablo Helman handled the effects for the film. In August 2015, Scorsese and De Niro made a test reel by recreating a scene from Goodfellas (1990), to see if the de-aging could work. Scorsese said that "the risk was there, and that was it. We just tried to make the film. After sitting on the couch for ten years [...] we finally had a way." By the time the film was released, Pacino was 79 years old, with De Niro and Pesci both 76 years old. Scorsese and De Niro made the decision not to use motion tracking markers. Helman said, "He's not going to wear a helmet with little cameras in there... He's going to want to be in the moment with Joe Pesci and Al Pacino on set, with no markers on him. So, if you're going to capture the performance, how are you going to do that?" All scenes that required the de-aging visual effects were shot digitally with a custom three-camera rig. Helman and his team had spent two years analyzing old films to determine how the actors should look at various ages.

In March 2018, speaking about the de-aging process, Pacino told IndieWire: "I was playing Jimmy Hoffa at the age of 39, they're doing that on a computer [...] we went through all these tests and things [...] someone would come up to me and say, 'You're 39.' [You'd recall] some sort of memory of 39, and your body tries to acclimate to that and think that way. They remind you of it." Nicholas Rapold, writing for Film Comment, gave the de-aging CGI approach used in the filming a mixed assessment, stating that: "De Niro's rosy complexion as a truck driver 'kid' recalls a tinted postcard photo more than a twentysomething person, and I can't explain away the same de-aged De Niro curb-stomping a grocer, looking more like the septuagenarian star he is than a ferociously protective thirtysomething dad."

The extent of the VFX used in the film for de-aging was further made evident during the award season when the amount of VFX was quantified in an article stating: "Once again technology caught up with need when Industrial Light & Magic (ILM) developed an innovative, digital de-aging process without facial impediments [...] The impressive results put ILM on the Academy's longlist this week for the VFX Oscar [...] The costly VFX de-aging, therefore, became the tech centerpiece, with 1,750 shots created for two and a half hours of footage."


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