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smirkymonkey

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58. Uh, not really..

Sun Feb 16, 2020, 06:56 AM

Feb 2020

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/12/should-donald-trump-be-bragging-about-wage-growth/

It hasn't been as bad as it could be, but his policies haven't really had an impact yet. He's still riding on Obama's coattails. Give it another two years and we are going to see the real impact of his governance. And I also don't believe that lost jobs are being replaced by higher paying jobs in other sectors.

They are in fact being replaced by lower paying jobs in other sectors. You don't live in the US, do you? Every single person I know here who has had to look for work after losing a job has found that they cannot find a position where they can make their former salary unless they are at the very high end of the totem pole.

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Six in 10 Americans say they feel better off after first 3 years of Trump, poll says [View all] Recursion Feb 2020 OP

gallup elleng Feb 2020 #1

Yeah, Gallup has been going full Rassmussen lately...nt Wounded Bear Feb 2020 #24

I am only better off in terms of net worth. That is SO far from the whole story, it's laughable. DFW Feb 2020 #2

6 out of 10 are still enjoying the Obama economy. The real economic essme Feb 2020 #3

This is true but Filthy Donnie will get the credit in most of their minds. Squinch Feb 2020 #6

I know several people who refuse to admit that the economy was already on an upward Arkansas Granny Feb 2020 #8

There definitely more than "several" out there... Wounded Bear Feb 2020 #25

Unfortunately we ran 2016 as if it weren't Recursion Feb 2020 #35

The further we get from the Obama admin, the harder it's going to be TwilightZone Feb 2020 #28

I know. ellie Feb 2020 #85

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #4

Messaging rpannier Feb 2020 #5

Lol! I wrote my reply to the above message before I read yours. Squinch Feb 2020 #7

And yet the number of uninsured people is picking up, "despite the strong economy" ck4829 Feb 2020 #9

Polls under trump are useless duforsure Feb 2020 #10

+1. Yes, how are people REALLY doing? Empirically doing? ck4829 Feb 2020 #11

Great post - would make an excellent OP. (nt) klook Feb 2020 #34

Which of those rates, rather than numbers, have gone up? Recursion Feb 2020 #46

I had a conversation with a Trumper last night. OnDoutside Feb 2020 #12

What the hell is in the water? I have never felt so badly in sinkingfeeling Feb 2020 #13

+1 hamsterjill Feb 2020 #14

"If 60% of Americans only concerned with the money, it's hopeless." llmart Feb 2020 #18

I am FINANCIALLY better off now than I was before trump, and it has NOTHING to do with him. The Genealogist Feb 2020 #15

Americans always imagine the President has power over the economy that he doesn't Recursion Feb 2020 #48

Mixed feelings on that here Generic Brad Feb 2020 #16

WHERE are they finding these people? just the burbs? pansypoo53219 Feb 2020 #17

Repug voter registration roll. ...nt 2naSalit Feb 2020 #27

"Feeling better off" and "country is on the wrong track" is a pretty tough needle to thread. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2020 #19

Let me guess... GoCubsGo Feb 2020 #20

So much is wrong with this Joinfortmill Feb 2020 #21

Ignorance and want ego_nation Feb 2020 #22

Somewhat troubling, but we need to remember that around 35% of the country ... dawg Feb 2020 #23

Same thing happened Turbineguy Feb 2020 #26

No, just no. smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #29

We can pretend the economy is bad all we want, but Trump won't play along Recursion Feb 2020 #45

Sure, the stock market is doing well, but that is a false measure of the economy. smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #56

Wage growth over the past five years has been the fastest in history Recursion Feb 2020 #57

Uh, not really.. smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #58

Yes it has, look at that chart you posted Recursion Feb 2020 #59

2015 was the strongest single-year real wage growth in US history Recursion Feb 2020 #60

And who was president in 2015? smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #62

How on earth did you get that idea? Recursion Feb 2020 #64

The economy is worse than it was under Obama uponit7771 Feb 2020 #68

I find this not believable CanonRay Feb 2020 #30

That's almost certainly not true (nt) Recursion Feb 2020 #44

It's is all the Gannett Papers /USA Today. Greybnk48 Feb 2020 #31

i am better off, because i earned it......... Takket Feb 2020 #32

The Fed. The Fed. The Fed. The Fed. The Federal Reserve Board. The Federal Reserve Board. Yavin4 Feb 2020 #33

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #61

Honestly, in financial terms, I am better off. Same as in any four year period since 1946. Midnight Writer Feb 2020 #36

I think that's very important: it's true for most people over most 4 year periods Recursion Feb 2020 #43

I'm better off than I was, NOT because of Rump MiniMe Feb 2020 #37

So here's where I call out DU's bubble: most of the country is Recursion Feb 2020 #42

The economy is fine for some people MiniMe Feb 2020 #49

Most of the wage gains over the past 5 years have been for the poorest two fifths of Americans Recursion Feb 2020 #50

Healthcare costs, tuition, housing etc etc all eat up hollow 'gains' radius777 Feb 2020 #63

Look up what "real wages" means, then try again (nt) Recursion Feb 2020 #65

Because the right-wing media bubble told them everything was terrible under Obama betsuni Feb 2020 #38

I do not believe it. If you poll the rich, those are the results you get. mfcorey1 Feb 2020 #39

49% of those in low-income households say they are better off Recursion Feb 2020 #41

This sounds like its heavily weighted with Magats. ooky Feb 2020 #40

Financially maybe a bit better marlakay Feb 2020 #47

We need to be realistic about this. herding cats Feb 2020 #51

Bingo. In 2016 we won voters concerned about the economy by 12 points Recursion Feb 2020 #52

Outlier poll. If Trump were truly getting this much credit for John Fante Feb 2020 #53

IDK. Since 2016 politics seem to have become decoupled from the economy Recursion Feb 2020 #54

Yes because even Trumpers nderstand it was Obama not Trump uponit7771 Feb 2020 #71

THIS !!! People aren't giving from the credit because they know he did little for it uponit7771 Feb 2020 #70

Gallup isn't the only one talking about 4 more years of dotard Thekaspervote Feb 2020 #55

I wonder how much Trump paid for that poll? kentuck Feb 2020 #66

Burying your head in the sand won't help Recursion Feb 2020 #67

What were Obama's better off numbers? uponit7771 Feb 2020 #69

45 in 2012, 52 in 2016 Recursion Feb 2020 #72

Yep, I figured the Better Off numbers from Gallup weren't as big a factor in the last 3 elections uponit7771 Feb 2020 #75

NPR reported last week that a big driver in the upward growth of wages at the bullwinkle428 Feb 2020 #73

Yup Recursion Feb 2020 #74

+1, Few are giving Trump credit for the economy uponit7771 Feb 2020 #76

62% give him at least some credit Recursion Feb 2020 #79

I don't see that in the Gallop poll, the last one I saw was from Dec 19 last year uponit7771 Feb 2020 #80

Check out the 4th paragraph I quoted in the OP Recursion Feb 2020 #81

Trump's campaign will attempt to amplify these feelings as much as possible. nt. andym Feb 2020 #82

Good to know ck4829 Feb 2020 #83

Would answer "yes" to this question, but DeminPennswoods Feb 2020 #77

Me too. A lot of people also want to believe they are doing better underpants Feb 2020 #78

sugar high Chainfire Feb 2020 #84

I got hit with significant taxes for the first time in my life (I've always gotten a small refund) Rhiannon12866 Feb 2020 #89

Yeah, I'm better off now shanti Feb 2020 #86

This is right-wing propaganda. Gallup have already been caught pushing trump propganda rockfordfile Feb 2020 #87

This sure contradicts every other poll and every reliable statistician I've read. , . BigDemVoter Feb 2020 #88

What are you talking about? Recursion Feb 2020 #90

Where the hell did they go to get their sample? Indiana? Did they ask all the millionaires? Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #91