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csziggy

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49. Not necessarily! Back in the 1980's an election was completely screwed up
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:56 PM
Jan 2020

With lever machines. Long story.

Leon County, Florida had had the same supervisor of elections for twenty or thirty years. In 1984 just minutes before the deadline for candidates to register she announced her retirement. The only candidate to register was her son, who had been working in her office for years. While some tried to run as write ins, with the lever system it was not easy and the son won. In the first major election after he took office, the machines were not properly set up. It was hard to tell which lever was for which candidate and many complained that they were not sure if they voted for their choice. The ensuing court case set the precedent in Florida that an election could not be re-done (which was important in 2000).

ELECTIONS CHIEF GETS JOB BACK
SUN-SENTINEL

May 29, 1987

TALLAHASSEE -- The Senate voted Thursday to reinstate Leon County Elections Supervisor Jan Pietrzyk, who was ousted by former Gov. Bob Graham over a botched primary election last year.

The 36-3 vote in favor of reinstatement was in direct opposition to a special master's recommendation that Pietrzyk be removed from office because he was responsible for widespread voting problems in Leon County Sept. 2, 1986.

Malfunctioning voting machines caused the entire election to be challenged in court. An undetermined number of people were unable to vote at all. Some people voted for one candidate, and the machine registered the vote for another, while other voters were given incorrect instructions by poll workers.

Senators said they felt it was a poor precedent to remove an elected official just because the official made errors in judgment. The voters put Pietrzyk in office, and they should be the ones to judge his performance, lawmakers said.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1987-05-29-8702180627-story.html


After a bid as county commissioner in 1986 {Ion} Sancho took courses in election machine management and became certified in their use. In November 1988, Sancho was elected to his first term as the Supervisor of Elections for Leon County, Florida. He ran and was re-elected in 1992, 1996, 2000, and 2004, serving his fifth term as of January 2, 2005. He was unopposed in each election since 1992.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Sancho#Supervisor_of_Elections


The saga went on when it turned out that the opti-scan system that Sancho introduced to the county turned out to be hackable (see the HBO documentary Hacking America).

Sancho retired a couple of years ago, but he endorsed a man who had worked in his office for years and the elections since have been without problems.
Very difficult to hack pen and paper.... mwooldri Jan 2020 #1
Check out this shit! Texas is the new Ohio. TheBlackAdder Jan 2020 #4
Texas. Ohio. Mississippi.... the_sly_pig Jan 2020 #43
Oh really,? flying_wahini Jan 2020 #54
I remember when they found the ballot box lids floating in hughee99 Jan 2020 #62
People can see, guard, and count paper ballots Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #59
the chain of custody is one reason to get it right election night questionseverything Jan 2020 #71
Someone still has to program the paper vote counting machine......n/c DENVERPOPS Jan 2020 #55
Hand count? mwooldri Jan 2020 #57
People should count ballots. Elections are more precious than groceries. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #60
I don't know - soldierant Jan 2020 #64
of course officials would have to gaurd against ballot "stuffing but questionseverything Jan 2020 #72
It only takes one person to "lose" a whole box of ballots. soldierant Jan 2020 #79
well how many voted and what is recorded would need to jive questionseverything Jan 2020 #83
Everybody should remember that Russia attacked all 50 states in 2016 Botany Jan 2020 #2
So True Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #7
True, but there is another way. aggiesal Jan 2020 #25
TRUE ahlnord Jan 2020 #45
+1 oasis Jan 2020 #51
Yeah, but is that going to happen before the next presidential election? Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #78
exactly bdamomma Jan 2020 #77
I believe the 2000 SCOTUS decision was the planned beginning of the GOP long range intentions ... usaf-vet Jan 2020 #10
Georgia 2002 was very dirty Botany Jan 2020 #11
I always thought HAVA was "Hack All Votes in America" lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #15
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2020 #17
THIS! cilla4progress Jan 2020 #21
If I remember right, exit polls start deviating with W's 2000 Coup. rickyhall Jan 2020 #24
And explained as faulty polling due to wnylib Jan 2020 #31
When we voted with these machines the exit polls matched the vote Botany Jan 2020 #35
Not necessarily! Back in the 1980's an election was completely screwed up csziggy Jan 2020 #49
Doors Locked fwvinson Jan 2020 #28
Like Jimmy Carter says, Trump did not win in 2016. Hillary is rightful POTUS. triron Jan 2020 #36
And the media has all but killed Jimmy Carter's statement on the 2016 election and ... Botany Jan 2020 #38
The media are complicit in the demise of the republic. But what the hell, more money! triron Jan 2020 #52
We HAVE to return to paper ballots. Yes, we are a big country but WTF. We have to have CurtEastPoint Jan 2020 #3
VA has all paper ballots. lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #16
So does Oregon. calimary Jan 2020 #20
What about machine-recorded votes that give wnylib Jan 2020 #33
Pointless. A real recount would require everybody to bring in their receipts. lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #44
A recount, if requested or necessary by law wnylib Jan 2020 #56
There is no recount when the primary data storage method is electronic. lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #58
Receipts would not be kept by the voter. 56miSSie Jan 2020 #69
That's a very Rube Goldberg way of avoiding real ballots. lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #75
hand counted ahlnord Jan 2020 #41
Wasn't that the plan of then sos kemp all along? Kurt V. Jan 2020 #5
I knew it! nt ecstatic Jan 2020 #6
Thank goodness hackers messed up and let Lucy McBath take Newt Gingrich's and Tom Price's Hoyt Jan 2020 #8
+1 padah513 Jan 2020 #39
We must consider this is why republicans are sticking with tRump rainin Jan 2020 #9
some of us have said since jump: THEY HACKED THE VOTES. Baltimike Jan 2020 #12
They hacked the vote but not sure we will ever know the truth. triron Jan 2020 #37
This is so discouraging. llmart Jan 2020 #13
Agree. ananda Jan 2020 #14
Back as far as 2000... 2naSalit Jan 2020 #18
Sounds like we have to do paper counts and wont know the winner till the next day. I'm OK with that uponit7771 Jan 2020 #19
Especially when you consider Horse with no Name Jan 2020 #23
Read my post #25. We don't have to wait unti the next day! n/t aggiesal Jan 2020 #26
Good point, even if its double the time due to increase in voters that's OK with me. Right now there uponit7771 Jan 2020 #29
SCARY part to me is BILL BARR!!! bluestarone Jan 2020 #22
And the GOP doesn't want our election to be secure sakabatou Jan 2020 #27
+1, they're not interested in liberal democracy for the republic any longer and don't know ... uponit7771 Jan 2020 #30
Where are our hackers evertonfc Jan 2020 #32
No doubt in my mind Stacey Abrams won. sarcasmo Jan 2020 #34
Minnesota uses paper ballots. the_sly_pig Jan 2020 #40
Does anyone really think the Russian hackers were just "snooping around"? DonaldsRump Jan 2020 #42
+1. Putin doesn't shell out money for a maybe. This is the psycho who kills a critic. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #47
No serious person would suggest that. Nt hughee99 Jan 2020 #63
Yes because it creates distrust and loss of faith in the system. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #65
No I call bullshit. It was to get Trump and republicans in office. triron Jan 2020 #66
I'm talking about tampering with votes. They did plenty of other shit to help him get into UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #67
So am I. I know there are lots whp believe like you. triron Jan 2020 #70
Where the fuck are the Hackers for Democracy? CrispyQ Jan 2020 #46
I have no doubt they have been altering elections in more than one state. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #48
K&R for exposure. Also, read about alarming problems with LA County's new touchscreen "voting" diva77 Jan 2020 #50
Will we hear anything about this (except maybe some BS spin) from MSNBC or CNN? triron Jan 2020 #53
kick diva77 Jan 2020 #61
K&R burrowowl Jan 2020 #68
hand counted paper ballots please questionseverything Jan 2020 #73
So...wouldn't you think that since this has come out, EVERYONE in any PatrickforO Jan 2020 #74
We still need to get out to vote bdamomma Jan 2020 #76
As long as we have elections. triron Jan 2020 #80
knr triron Jan 2020 #81
kick for visibility triron Jan 2020 #82
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