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2naSalit

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18. Back as far as 2000...

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 11:04 AM

Jan 2020

If not that election, surely 2004 after electronic voting machines became almost mandatory after the "hanging chads" of 2000. And even then the manufacturers had malicious intent. So I think there need to be demands, really loud demands, for paper ballots everywhere.

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Hackers may have gained 'almost total control' of an election server in Georgia, report says [View all] Sancho Jan 2020 OP

Very difficult to hack pen and paper.... mwooldri Jan 2020 #1

Check out this shit! Texas is the new Ohio. TheBlackAdder Jan 2020 #4

Texas. Ohio. Mississippi.... the_sly_pig Jan 2020 #43

Oh really,? flying_wahini Jan 2020 #54

I remember when they found the ballot box lids floating in hughee99 Jan 2020 #62

People can see, guard, and count paper ballots Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #59

the chain of custody is one reason to get it right election night questionseverything Jan 2020 #71

Someone still has to program the paper vote counting machine......n/c DENVERPOPS Jan 2020 #55

Hand count? mwooldri Jan 2020 #57

People should count ballots. Elections are more precious than groceries. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #60

I don't know - soldierant Jan 2020 #64

of course officials would have to gaurd against ballot "stuffing but questionseverything Jan 2020 #72

It only takes one person to "lose" a whole box of ballots. soldierant Jan 2020 #79

well how many voted and what is recorded would need to jive questionseverything Jan 2020 #83

Everybody should remember that Russia attacked all 50 states in 2016 Botany Jan 2020 #2

So True Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #7

True, but there is another way. aggiesal Jan 2020 #25

TRUE ahlnord Jan 2020 #45

+1 oasis Jan 2020 #51

Yeah, but is that going to happen before the next presidential election? Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #78

exactly bdamomma Jan 2020 #77

I believe the 2000 SCOTUS decision was the planned beginning of the GOP long range intentions ... usaf-vet Jan 2020 #10

Georgia 2002 was very dirty Botany Jan 2020 #11

I always thought HAVA was "Hack All Votes in America" lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #15

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2020 #17

THIS! cilla4progress Jan 2020 #21

If I remember right, exit polls start deviating with W's 2000 Coup. rickyhall Jan 2020 #24

And explained as faulty polling due to wnylib Jan 2020 #31

When we voted with these machines the exit polls matched the vote Botany Jan 2020 #35

Not necessarily! Back in the 1980's an election was completely screwed up csziggy Jan 2020 #49

Doors Locked fwvinson Jan 2020 #28

Like Jimmy Carter says, Trump did not win in 2016. Hillary is rightful POTUS. triron Jan 2020 #36

And the media has all but killed Jimmy Carter's statement on the 2016 election and ... Botany Jan 2020 #38

The media are complicit in the demise of the republic. But what the hell, more money! triron Jan 2020 #52

We HAVE to return to paper ballots. Yes, we are a big country but WTF. We have to have CurtEastPoint Jan 2020 #3

VA has all paper ballots. lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #16

So does Oregon. calimary Jan 2020 #20

What about machine-recorded votes that give wnylib Jan 2020 #33

Pointless. A real recount would require everybody to bring in their receipts. lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #44

A recount, if requested or necessary by law wnylib Jan 2020 #56

There is no recount when the primary data storage method is electronic. lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #58

Receipts would not be kept by the voter. 56miSSie Jan 2020 #69

That's a very Rube Goldberg way of avoiding real ballots. lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #75

hand counted ahlnord Jan 2020 #41

Wasn't that the plan of then sos kemp all along? Kurt V. Jan 2020 #5

I knew it! nt ecstatic Jan 2020 #6

Thank goodness hackers messed up and let Lucy McBath take Newt Gingrich's and Tom Price's Hoyt Jan 2020 #8

+1 padah513 Jan 2020 #39

We must consider this is why republicans are sticking with tRump rainin Jan 2020 #9

some of us have said since jump: THEY HACKED THE VOTES. Baltimike Jan 2020 #12

They hacked the vote but not sure we will ever know the truth. triron Jan 2020 #37

This is so discouraging. llmart Jan 2020 #13

Agree. ananda Jan 2020 #14

Back as far as 2000... 2naSalit Jan 2020 #18

Sounds like we have to do paper counts and wont know the winner till the next day. I'm OK with that uponit7771 Jan 2020 #19

Especially when you consider Horse with no Name Jan 2020 #23

Read my post #25. We don't have to wait unti the next day! n/t aggiesal Jan 2020 #26

Good point, even if its double the time due to increase in voters that's OK with me. Right now there uponit7771 Jan 2020 #29

SCARY part to me is BILL BARR!!! bluestarone Jan 2020 #22

And the GOP doesn't want our election to be secure sakabatou Jan 2020 #27

+1, they're not interested in liberal democracy for the republic any longer and don't know ... uponit7771 Jan 2020 #30

Where are our hackers evertonfc Jan 2020 #32

No doubt in my mind Stacey Abrams won. sarcasmo Jan 2020 #34

Minnesota uses paper ballots. the_sly_pig Jan 2020 #40

Does anyone really think the Russian hackers were just "snooping around"? DonaldsRump Jan 2020 #42

+1. Putin doesn't shell out money for a maybe. This is the psycho who kills a critic. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #47

No serious person would suggest that. Nt hughee99 Jan 2020 #63

Yes because it creates distrust and loss of faith in the system. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #65

No I call bullshit. It was to get Trump and republicans in office. triron Jan 2020 #66

I'm talking about tampering with votes. They did plenty of other shit to help him get into UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #67

So am I. I know there are lots whp believe like you. triron Jan 2020 #70

Where the fuck are the Hackers for Democracy? CrispyQ Jan 2020 #46

I have no doubt they have been altering elections in more than one state. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #48

K&R for exposure. Also, read about alarming problems with LA County's new touchscreen "voting" diva77 Jan 2020 #50

Will we hear anything about this (except maybe some BS spin) from MSNBC or CNN? triron Jan 2020 #53

kick diva77 Jan 2020 #61

K&R burrowowl Jan 2020 #68

hand counted paper ballots please questionseverything Jan 2020 #73

So...wouldn't you think that since this has come out, EVERYONE in any PatrickforO Jan 2020 #74

We still need to get out to vote bdamomma Jan 2020 #76

As long as we have elections. triron Jan 2020 #80

knr triron Jan 2020 #81

kick for visibility triron Jan 2020 #82