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PoindexterOglethorpe

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78. I'd suggest a Honda Fit.

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 08:05 PM

Jan 2020

Better mileage than a Civic, and not very expensive. Even brand new.

And I'm the one who expresses astonishment when anyone says a 30k car is cheap. Not for my budget.

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I have been considering buying a hybrid vehicle, now look what Ohio and other states [View all] doc03 Jan 2020 OP

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But at the same time, as the world burns down around us, it behooves us to encourage as many Squinch Jan 2020 #3

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Road use tax or toll. And before you tell me its regressive, so is a gas tax. Squinch Jan 2020 #28

PS: If you think about it, petroleum use is responsible for just about every problem we have. Squinch Jan 2020 #34

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As I said above, road use tax or toll. Or, as said below, simply increase the gas tax. That will Squinch Jan 2020 #69

ALEC... and they are after solar panels for your roof too. lapfog_1 Jan 2020 #9

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Ah! Yes! Newest Reality Jan 2020 #56

States are giving incentives to buy EV's and more efficient cars, how does it make sense to then coti Jan 2020 #46

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Same taxes as always, this isn't an actual problem. nt coti Jan 2020 #66

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You need to figure out what you'll save in Ohio gas tax over 5 years Kaleva Jan 2020 #2

$700 or less for typical commuters lapfog_1 Jan 2020 #12

So the fee for the hybrids corresponds to what the average driver pays in gas tax? Kaleva Jan 2020 #21

Ok my current car gets 26 MPG and I drive 12000 miles per year I would pay $129 tax. doc03 Jan 2020 #13

It's a wash when you factor in federal tx and average driving distance. Kaleva Jan 2020 #22

The same bill increases the gas tax to $0.385 sl8 Jan 2020 #35

I did that and included the federal tax. Kaleva Jan 2020 #36

Are you sure you used the new rate? sl8 Jan 2020 #43

According to this source, combined fed and state tax is .469 a gallon Kaleva Jan 2020 #45

None of this matters, the amount saved is the pump price nt coti Jan 2020 #48

From that link: sl8 Jan 2020 #61

You are quite right! I didn't carry the 1. Kaleva Jan 2020 #63

Happens to the best of us. n/t sl8 Jan 2020 #76

That would already be accounted for by the gas savings he/she is likely calculating nt coti Jan 2020 #47

He'd save more by going with a Civic. Kaleva Jan 2020 #53

Across the board mileage for a non-hypermiled Prius in decent weather is usually well above 50 mpg coti Jan 2020 #54

He drives just 12k a year Kaleva Jan 2020 #57

It sucks, but it's only fair Ohiogal Jan 2020 #4

or build your own roads and refuse to pay the state lol nt msongs Jan 2020 #5

Then it should be a road use tax. As our earth burns around us we should not be taxing one of the Squinch Jan 2020 #29

Except that it completely goes against general liberal public policy coti Jan 2020 #49

Kind of brings back the rationale for road tolls, eh? Just thinking out loud here...until they... SWBTATTReg Jan 2020 #77

OK using the logic that if you drive a hybrid you use less gas so you need to pay doc03 Jan 2020 #7

Road wear & tear Disaffected Jan 2020 #8

It's actually proportional to the fourth power of weight... Salviati Jan 2020 #11

Fourth power? Disaffected Jan 2020 #15

Yup, learned that back in a history of industrialization class back in college and it's stuck around Salviati Jan 2020 #17

Wow jberryhill Jan 2020 #19

Excellent Disaffected Jan 2020 #24

Thanks for the ed, Salviati. Axle weight and wear. Hortensis Jan 2020 #33

In WA State GP6971 Jan 2020 #18

Why not buy a Honda Civic that gets 35 mpg? Kaleva Jan 2020 #23

Have you priced a Honda Civic lately? I did to replace my 2005 Civic. Big sticker shock. Squinch Jan 2020 #30

I see 20k for a new Civic Kaleva Jan 2020 #37

My last one was the stripped down 2005. This time I wanted a sunroof. Add in floor mats, Squinch Jan 2020 #55

What year was the Lexus? Kaleva Jan 2020 #58

Talking hybrids is a needed discussion. It's a vital transition to an all-electric future. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2020 #39

But one point I have tried to make several times doc03 Jan 2020 #44

There are proposals to tax miles driven in a year. Kaleva Jan 2020 #51

Relative to the weight of the vehicle, as posted by Salviati above. hunter Jan 2020 #85

The reasoning is all hogwash, doc. Stems from envy. Don't let anyone dissuade you from buying coti Jan 2020 #65

Well I will buy a conventional gas vehicle then and doc03 Jan 2020 #73

You're being fed misinformation by people who don't know what they're talking about. coti Jan 2020 #74

I guess if you don't support union workers, a Prius is a good choice MichMan Jan 2020 #80

Given how little you drive, I don't see how getting a hybrid makes economic sense. Kaleva Jan 2020 #86

I'd suggest a Honda Fit. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2020 #78

I bought my Honda Civic Hybrid in 2003. Got a $2000 tax break spanone Jan 2020 #10

I was considering a Toyota RAV4 hybrid rather than the gas model. Unless you put lots of doc03 Jan 2020 #14

Yeah, Disaffected Jan 2020 #16

these batterries have at least eight years of warranty, you also put less co2 in the air Demonaut Jan 2020 #20

My mechanic tells me that is a scare story and he's seen batteries last 300k miles. Squinch Jan 2020 #31

I got the tax deduction on my 2007 Prius when I bought it new. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2020 #40

I bought a Hybrid brand new 2019 just before this law... FarPoint Jan 2020 #26

California does the same thing as well ansible Jan 2020 #67

Better idea . . . Aussie105 Jan 2020 #27

This is a MUCH better idea. Squinch Jan 2020 #32

And once you accomplish that, how do you pay for the roads? jberryhill Jan 2020 #52

Gasoline use is and will be going quite strong for a long time. coti Jan 2020 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Jan 2020 #71

Self deleted. Coti said almost exactly what I did, right down to the big celebration. Squinch Jan 2020 #72

By my calculations, the money saved by a hybrid owner is about the same as the fee. Kaleva Jan 2020 #38

They just need to tax per mile driven madville Jan 2020 #41

Aren't we supposed to be creating advantages to driving more efficient vehicles? coti Jan 2020 #50

It makes sure everyone pays their fair share madville Jan 2020 #75

Why not? Isn't the poor person in the Honda Civic contributing to global warming with their vehicle coti Jan 2020 #82

Most road damage is done by heavy trucks and semis VMA131Marine Jan 2020 #60

I think there should be an incentive for people la-trucker Jan 2020 #62

Wouldn't that be nice? And maybe even help us not all fry to death. But no. People need Squinch Jan 2020 #70

Need sharp increases in gas taxes to discourage people buying trucks and large SUV MichMan Jan 2020 #79

Just bought a Prius Prime today. CanonRay Jan 2020 #81

Well done. nt coti Jan 2020 #83

Problem with a hybrid is that you have two systems to maintain. Maybe Enoki33 Jan 2020 #84