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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)194. I already told you. AA makes those claims.
At this juncture, we can hear a churchman exclaim, They are making disobedience a virtue! He is joined by a psychiatrist who says, Defiant brats! They wont grow up and conform to social usage! The man in the street says, I dont understand it. They must be nuts! But all these observers have overlooked something unique in Alcoholics Anonymous. Unless each A.A. member follows to the best of his ability our suggested Twelve Steps to recovery, he almost certainly signs his own death warrant. His drunkenness and dissolution are not penalties inflicted by people in authority; they result from his personal disobedience to spiritual principles.
https://www.aa.org/pages/en_US/twelve-steps-and-twelve-traditions
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AA has a subgroup for atheists, or for those who just don't want to bring God into it.
Aristus
Dec 2019
#4
You can't keep the concept of powerlessness out of it, and that's what many object to.
pnwmom
Dec 2019
#69
Addiction is a power. The group power can help overcome the temptation of addiction
OhNo-Really
Dec 2019
#112
Me, too. An older relative swore by AA, but the young one just couldn't connect with it.
pnwmom
Dec 2019
#196
The power of logorrhea aside, I do hope you found something that works for you, personally.
Hekate
Dec 2019
#147
I think that a lot of resistance to AA is from people who don't want to drink
Dorian Gray
Dec 2019
#188
You don't have a problem with alcohol so you go with a closed mind and negativity towards AA. Were
demosincebirth
Dec 2019
#184
The poster calls those people "non-religious fundys" [sic] and "extremist" [sic].
Mariana
Dec 2019
#172
Good point. Although attributing 17+ years of sobriety to AA is a tad more than "casual"
OhNo-Really
Dec 2019
#141
Depends on the locality. There are courts today, that only allow AA. (Because it's free.)
X_Digger
Dec 2019
#148
Thank you for defending AA so well. As the child of an alcoholic who had stayed sober
Atticus
Dec 2019
#3
When a court requires you to enroll in a religious program, there is a problem
jberryhill
Dec 2019
#5
😂😂😂"..there's no room for civil society..". Spit coffee laugh. You surprised me
OhNo-Really
Dec 2019
#98
and there are medical treatments like Naltrexone which are used in other countries
dawg day
Dec 2019
#19
That is interesting. Some smoking-cessation treatment is the same as an antidepressant-
dawg day
Dec 2019
#57
As I read thru this thread & your contributions, it is clear you despise AA. Can you at least...
Hekate
Dec 2019
#156
Speaking as one who has 2 family members (in other parts of the country) who are...
SWBTATTReg
Dec 2019
#203
Alcoholism runs on my mom's side of the family: her dad, one brother, one sister, is a fair sample.
Hekate
Dec 2019
#209
I have known atheists who AA helped. It's having support of others that seems to help.
Hoyt
Dec 2019
#10
Success rate is very low. On the other hand, every success is a gift to be celebrated.
OregonBlue
Dec 2019
#197
I've been to AA meetings and I'm an Atheist. The God shit didn't bother me. nt
UniteFightBack
Dec 2019
#23
Yes, people that AA has helped regain their lives from the tyranny of alcoholism are eager to share
OhNo-Really
Dec 2019
#82
AA has helped millions to stay clean/sober. My take on the higher power is that no one involved with
jalan48
Dec 2019
#25
I'll defer to the comments in this stream written by sober AA atheists/agnostics proponents
OhNo-Really
Dec 2019
#105
But if someone is powerless, defeated, and incapable of anything until they do 90 in 90
Nature Man
Dec 2019
#138
Is there a difference between those who drink too much and those who are physically addicted?
Buckeyeblue
Dec 2019
#55
I get there is a difference but are they lumped in the same category together?
Buckeyeblue
Dec 2019
#87
The Big Book suggests going without drinking for 30 days to make that decision
catrose
Dec 2019
#166
The test: Is/are alcohol/drugs negatively affecting the quality of yours or others lives?
OhNo-Really
Dec 2019
#122
AA wrote in 1935 that there was a difference between heavy drinkers and alcohol use disorder
ismnotwasm
Dec 2019
#131
I totally disagree with ..."a 12 step program that requires adherence to its orhodoxy"
Stuart G
Dec 2019
#169
Thank you. Your last sentence is the real kicker for me. Rehab is hellishly expensive. AA is free...
Hekate
Dec 2019
#139
I can't recall any AAers who didn't accept all the medical help they could afford
catrose
Dec 2019
#168
One modern addiction treatment/methodology is CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy.)
Comatose Sphagetti
Dec 2019
#206
Now sober for 30 years. A.A. was a terrific support group for me for 10+ years.
SharonAnn
Dec 2019
#208