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3. Like you said, Hoffa and unions in general were racist and corrupt. I doubt he would have

Thu Nov 28, 2019, 03:16 PM

Nov 2019

done a lot to make things better for everyone.

Fortunately, unions have changed, but their racist/bigoted history — which kept minorities out of better jobs — is hard to ignore.

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Jimmy Hoffa [View all] Yavin4 Nov 2019 OP

I'm having some of the same feelings MaryMagdaline Nov 2019 #1

My mom said the same thing.. mountain grammy Nov 2019 #75

Smart lady! MaryMagdaline Dec 2019 #86

This was before my time JonLP24 Nov 2019 #2

i wonder how much of that is propaganda? rampartc Dec 2019 #102

Like you said, Hoffa and unions in general were racist and corrupt. I doubt he would have Hoyt Nov 2019 #3

Most of society was "racist and sexist" back then, business whathehell Nov 2019 #48

Unions should have led the way, instead the membership was openly hostile to minorities. Hoyt Nov 2019 #49

Whatever they "should" have done, the fact is they were just as human, whathehell Nov 2019 #54

Not an excuse. Unions and some candidates continue with "Amerca First," "Economic Patriotism," etc. Hoyt Nov 2019 #55

Don't move the goalposts.,.The"excuse" you mention refers whathehell Nov 2019 #57

A Union's foremost job is to serve its members. MicaelS Nov 2019 #58

Thank you. You are correct. n/t. whathehell Nov 2019 #59

Yep, unions were racist well into 1980s and now they've turned their attention Hoyt Nov 2019 #60

You are just a one-trick pony. MicaelS Nov 2019 #62

Truth hurts. And a lot is the fault of racist white people, not just men. A whole lot. Hoyt Nov 2019 #63

i was a union member in mississippi in the 1970s rampartc Dec 2019 #103

Greedy vs. greedy. moondust Nov 2019 #4

Collective bargaining is not a bad thing at all and in general I don't consider labor the greedy one JonLP24 Nov 2019 #5

No doubt most labor moondust Nov 2019 #7

I think there is less union solidarity JonLP24 Nov 2019 #8

Yes, and BOTH sides negotiate the contract whathehell Nov 2019 #33

No, that would amount to false equivalence whathehell Nov 2019 #50

The means of production Bluethroughu Dec 2019 #84

No doubt the tough-guy persona helped. nt Laffy Kat Nov 2019 #6

Hoffa was deeply connected to Nixon and so was the Mafia at that time rockfordfile Nov 2019 #9

Nixon would be considered a Berniecrat by today's conservative standards. n/t Yavin4 Nov 2019 #12

What would RFK, who went after Hoffa, be considered to be by today's standards? Kaleva Nov 2019 #26

Shortsighted. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2019 #27

Bingo! mountain grammy Nov 2019 #76

RFK was anti-Hoffa, not anti-Union whathehell Nov 2019 #30

OP was asking for union leaders LIKE Hoffa Kaleva Nov 2019 #41

I responded to your post, not his. whathehell Nov 2019 #46

Well, the discussion is about the OPs post Kaleva Nov 2019 #51

Then why did you bring up RFK? whathehell Nov 2019 #52

Because of RFK's handling of union leaders like Hoffa. Kaleva Nov 2019 #53

To my knowledge, RFK handled no other union leader BUT Hoffa whathehell Nov 2019 #56

I never said RFK was anti-union. Kaleva Nov 2019 #66

..And I never said I was pro-corruption. whathehell Nov 2019 #67

Where would you get the idea that I ever said you were? Kaleva Nov 2019 #68

Where would you get the idea I said you were anti-union? whathehell Nov 2019 #69

Can you provide a quote where I said such a thing? Or even implied it? Kaleva Nov 2019 #70

You can answer my question first. whathehell Nov 2019 #71

I already did with post #53. A response to your post #52 Kaleva Nov 2019 #72

Yeah, sure whathehell Nov 2019 #73

Sorry to see you go. I was enjoying our exchange. Kaleva Dec 2019 #79

I dig your malarkey. LanternWaste Dec 2019 #91

I think i just saw a thread about malarkey. Kaleva Dec 2019 #92

Don't forget DumpTrump20202020 Feb 2020 #106

RFK was a practitioner of RealPolitic Kaleva Feb 2020 #107

Hoffa senior TEB Nov 2019 #10

People were KILLED fighting for a 40 hour work week, safety standards whathehell Nov 2019 #31

I saw The Irishman and loved it... Upthevibe Nov 2019 #11

I just saw it and it was excellent lunatica Nov 2019 #34

Since the movie is based on a book about a guy who claims he killed Hoffa I doubt that would... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2019 #37

Thanks. lunatica Nov 2019 #39

The book author interviewed Sheeran before he died. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2019 #40

I just discovered this today. LeftInTX Nov 2019 #65

Who knows? LeftInTX Nov 2019 #64

I liked the movie but I had a problem with Pacino playing his usual self. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2019 #38

Getting to Hoffa's character now LeftInTX Nov 2019 #74

I'm almost halfway finished reading the book eleny Nov 2019 #13

".. the companies were so greedy and used such ruthless tactics to keep their workers at low pay and Yavin4 Nov 2019 #14

Yeah, for sure eleny Nov 2019 #16

Not only that, companies used 'Goon Squads' to beat up workers. whathehell Nov 2019 #61

film bored the stew out of me. Brainstormy Nov 2019 #15

Me too .. whathehell Nov 2019 #47

I have had to turn it off twice mnhtnbb Dec 2019 #82

Great movie. H2O Man Nov 2019 #17

I started watching it this morning and was interrupted CatWoman Nov 2019 #18

A few friends H2O Man Nov 2019 #19

I got very caught up in that scene lunatica Nov 2019 #35

One of the many H2O Man Nov 2019 #42

We can thank Scorsese for the younger generation not saying Ok Boomer lunatica Nov 2019 #44

At least the younger generation May get an inkling that we are MaryMagdaline Dec 2019 #87

They might have to give in and admit the Boomers lived in lunatica Dec 2019 #90

Context is everything JonLP24 Dec 2019 #93

Every generation has its 'draggarts', people who drag lunatica Dec 2019 #94

I was just trying to explain where the phrase comes JonLP24 Dec 2019 #95

If you can't make up your mind whether it's some flattering thing or lunatica Dec 2019 #96

The only negative reactions I see are on DU JonLP24 Dec 2019 #97

On DU you're punching at your allies not your foes lunatica Dec 2019 #98

I'm not using OK Boomer JonLP24 Dec 2019 #99

Thanks for clarifying that! lunatica Dec 2019 #101

I thought it was stunning. tavernier Dec 2019 #85

Hoffa and men like him were racist and sexist. Blue_true Nov 2019 #20

Yeah, but the answer to the corruption, racism, sexism of the unions is to get better leaders Yavin4 Nov 2019 #21

Your OP celebrated Hoffa. I pointed out what he and men like him were. Blue_true Nov 2019 #22

Hoffa does deserve some praise. Yavin4 Nov 2019 #23

He fought for only a fraction of workers in America, he was perfectly ok with Blue_true Nov 2019 #25

I'm a retired Teamster lunatica Nov 2019 #36

Context is everything. H2O Man Nov 2019 #43

Union Sister Here! Tink41 Nov 2019 #24

The mob killed the Kennedy's and Hoffa effectively dividing and conquering... pbmus Dec 2019 #80

Terrific film with PCIntern Nov 2019 #28

+1 myohmy2 Nov 2019 #29

The entire Society, business, government, was "racist and sexist" whathehell Nov 2019 #32

I think you missed the boat re Sheeran's 'labor activism' on behalf of Hoffa. Mc Mike Nov 2019 #45

Thanks for this background. Helps to sort through history MaryMagdaline Dec 2019 #88

2 different things are going on with this movie. Mc Mike Dec 2019 #104

Haven't seen the film yet, but plan to. mountain grammy Nov 2019 #77

I was thinking the same thing. You don't hear those strong union voices anymore. SweetieD Dec 2019 #78

Can't view Hoffa in the lens of today. Xolodno Dec 2019 #81

Proud Union home, right here. Bluethroughu Dec 2019 #83

Salute to you and your family! MaryMagdaline Dec 2019 #89

Something tells me... TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #100

Working-Class Hero DumpTrump20202020 Feb 2020 #105