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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
41. Greed and power, yes. But it's also tribal and about an overarching ideology.
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 04:00 AM
Nov 2019

It's about supporting the party no matter what. And theirs is an ideology of extreme, mythical individualism and a mythical "free market." It disputes the existence of what's known as "the commons." Also embedded in their creed is an archaic racism and sexism. I don't think Republican officeholders merely foment and exploit racism and sexism for personal gain, though they certainly do, I think most Republicans in power are themselves devoutly racist and patriarchal. They almost have to be in order to push an ideology that depends, in large part, on denying the reality that injustice is systemic, not evenly distributed and that seemingly past/resolved injustices continue to influence power structures.

It can be infuriating to listen to Nunes, Jordan and others spout lies, but in their defense, they have no choice. As Cody Cain points out, lying is key to the Republican Party's survival. Their ideology is a house of cards, and to tell the truth would lead to collapse.

Just imagine the stump speech. “Vote for me and I will slash your health care! In fact, I’ll do even better — I'll fight like mad to completely eliminate your health care!”


The AG of the United States was going around the world trying to stir up conspiratorial nonsense, which is absolutely surreal, but it also follows a pattern. The Republican Party has been trying for decades, with quite a bit of success, to undermine faith in government. Run up debt so as to cut entitlements, have corporations write legislation, deregulate industry, install heads of departments whose mission it is to erode those very departments, etc. Since the likes of Putin also wish to undermine democratic institutions for the purpose of self-enrichment, Putin and Republicans make for interesting bedfellows. This is a war of ideologies: we vs. me. "It takes a village" vs. "every person for themselves" (cheating permitted...nay, encouraged). The likes of Barr, Bannon, Mulvaney, Pompeo et al. are especially dangerous--they're white nationalists and despise secularization.

And, as has been mentioned by others, there is the distinct possibility that many Republicans in Congress are just as compromised as Trump. As I like to say, Republicans have more rubles than scruples.

The feelings you and others express of distress and depression are very understandable. Tempting though it may be to do otherwise, I think it's best that we all accept what we're up against. For instance, I never thought and still don't think the Ukraine story will result in a Senate conviction of Trump. I do, however, fully support impeachment and hope that it damages Trump enough that we can overcome the inevitable election fraud (in the form of foreign interference, voter suppression, dark money, gerrymandering and the utilization of an irresponsible profit-driven media to promote lies, obfuscation and false equivalencies) next November. I think what it would take to get a Senate conviction is almost unimaginable. It would have to be audio or video of something so grotesque (yes, even worse than Trump bragging about committing sexual assault, as he infamously did on the Access Hollywood tape) that Trump's approval rating, which has been unprecedentedly steady, would drop drastically almost over night (from around 40 to the mid-20s).

It's also best to resist the notion that Trump happened in a vacuum, so to speak, that the pre-Trump Republican Party was somehow reasonable and not at all responsible for the rise of Trump. It's an absurd notion, so it should be easy to resist, but there are Never Trumpers, members of the media and even some Democrats who seem to want to believe if we just get rid of Trump all will be well or "normal." As if 50+ years (going back to Nixon and his Southern Strategy) of increasingly cruel and unhinged policy and rhetoric didn't make Trump almost inevitable. As if we don't have to worry about Trump 2.0, a more politically savvy and intelligent version of the monster currently occupying the White House, coming down the pike. Trump is a symptom of the disease, not the disease itself.

We should also accept that we have a tyranny of the minority political system that will become increasingly anti-democratic. It's been reported, for instance, that by 2040 we can expect nearly 70% of the US population will be represented by just 30% of the US Senate. That's an intolerable situation. Unfortunately, this political system is incredibly difficult to change for the very reasons why major structural reform is so desperately needed. I imagine the founders would have expected the US Constitution to have been rewritten at least once by now, especially if they knew just how drastically society, the nation and the world had changed. However, a constitutional convention would be a complete disaster with states like Idaho, South Dakota, Kansas and Oklahoma having an outsized influence.

We should accept that the Republican Party is not on its death bed. I've seen post after post after post suggesting that the Republican Party is done for, or that it will be if it doesn't remove Trump from office. That idea is comforting, but it isn't rooted in reality. Demographic change isn't sufficient given our broken system. That said, demographic change (along with social progression, increased secularism, etc.) is a big reason why Republican tactics have become increasingly extreme in recent years (intense voter suppression and gerrymandering, full-throated attacks on science and public education, persistent attacks on the "liberal media" to help shift the Overton Window, stealing a Supreme Court seat and packing the judiciary with right wing ideologues, aligning with dictators who share the goal of undermining democracy for personal enrichment, replacing the dog whistle with a bullhorn, and so on). But the demise of the Republican Party has been predicted for decades. Without major reform of our tyranny of the minority political system, without public education reform, without media reform and without putting an end to what is essentially election fraud, the GOP will live on. It's ethically bankrupt but it will continue to be a major player. The GOP, as batshit crazy as it's become, currently holds more power nationwide (state legislatures, governors, etc.) than the Democratic Party. As more and more of the population lives in a disproportionately small number of states, the problem will worsen. 2020 may go really well for us, but between all of the aforementioned issues and an incredibly ignorant public with the attention span of a gnat, the Republican Party isn't anywhere close to being laid to rest. A survey from earlier this year indicated that around 30 million US adults have never heard of Mike Pence. Never. Heard. Of. Him. Let that sink in for a moment. Meanwhile, there are those who support the Affordable Care Act but despise Obamacare. So, one can only imagine how many people aren't even aware of the various facts being established in the impeachment hearings, if they're even aware that the hearings are taking place. It's also not hard to imagine there being millions of people who don't even know there's a presidential election next year. We must address this epidemic of ignorance.

Oh yeah, there's also that whole existential threat known as climate change.

I've probably not done anything to dissuade those feelings of distress. But acceptance must precede action. I think it can be helpful to take the long view, to focus on planting seeds in the public consciousness. Literally planting seeds in a community garden and starting local cooperatives would be a couple of examples. Write. Get involved in local organizations that are focused on combating racism and sexism. Consume less. The Democratic Party placing greater emphasis on education reform and media reform seems necessary. Make civics a bigger part of a child's education. Make media literacy (such as identifying and verifying sources, and recognizing tactics such as 'projection' and the Gish gallop) mandatory curriculum from elementary school through college. Make college much more accessible. Raise hell over the media's tendency to give equal time to lies and obfuscation out of some twisted sense of what constitutes fairness, or simply because it's good for ratings. Raise hell over media consolidation. You may not see the kind of change you want to see in your lifetime, and that can be a difficult reality to face, but take the long view for the good of humanity.
They do care Sherman A1 Nov 2019 #1
anyone else DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #19
Too bad there aren't any in Congress. catbyte Nov 2019 #24
Maybe Justin Amash thinks he used to be one. calimary Nov 2019 #40
Sorry, but you can either be for the rule of law or Republican RVN VET71 Nov 2019 #38
Oh dear. 2naSalit Nov 2019 #54
Republican or American...can't be both. Simply true. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2019 #59
I'd buy the t-shirt! RVN VET71 Nov 2019 #60
We are obviously winning. Don't let small minds sway you. Boxerfan Nov 2019 #2
Well said. nt coti Nov 2019 #8
I need that proud patriot Nov 2019 #17
In the end, they'll give up trying to argue he didn't do it, or that it wasn't wrong. RockRaven Nov 2019 #3
They are all under Putin's thumb. blm Nov 2019 #4
I suspect under Putin's carrot and stick ... Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #22
GOP politicians, many of them are the tea party type, dumb and not a clue Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #5
They should all immediately DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #20
I still say... OldBaldy1701E Nov 2019 #47
Hey DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #49
Well ... maybe not white xtian children ... mr_lebowski Nov 2019 #52
Recommended. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #6
You can't get demoralized about doing the right thing. That's part of the Russians' plan. coti Nov 2019 #7
Honestly i can't quite figure it. the only thing i can figure is they truly believe democrats Kurt V. Nov 2019 #9
i hope their money destroys them bluestarone Nov 2019 #10
It is very frustrating when these scumbags just dismiss everything that has been brought to the dustyscamp Nov 2019 #11
There was an Onion article a couple weeks ago, GOP dewsgirl Nov 2019 #12
That kind of cognitive dissonance is well within the capabilities of humanity nt coti Nov 2019 #15
He did hit on some friend's wives. rickford66 Nov 2019 #26
Nothing is going to happen, there will be no consequences for this criminal AJT Nov 2019 #13
No matter what there has already been consequences. Trump didn't get away with his shit...he got Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #43
Im not surprised at all by Will Hurd standingtall Nov 2019 #14
Dems and media need to be calling out the Senate cultists now on the fact that there is no set coti Nov 2019 #16
Where not off to a good start standingtall Nov 2019 #18
I cannot agree more! Tumbulu Nov 2019 #27
I am not upset...I expected this...never thought the GOP would do anything to stop Trump...I just Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #21
"Demoralized and depressed"? No. Martin Eden Nov 2019 #23
Demoralized and depressed? locks Nov 2019 #25
I feel exactly the same way Tumbulu Nov 2019 #28
Exactly how I feel and I just cannot seem to shake it Tumbulu Nov 2019 #29
A large chunk of them feel threatened and will therefore vote tribe. gulliver Nov 2019 #30
Speaker Of The House Nancy Pelosi JohnnyRingo Nov 2019 #31
They would do anything, and I mean anything, to prevent that. Progressive Jones Nov 2019 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #32
Yes. Snackshack Nov 2019 #33
You're right. Because care is an ethic. ancianita Nov 2019 #35
Never forget... czarjak Nov 2019 #36
Yes, that has been clear for some time now. If not enough Republicans step up to convict Trump in Nitram Nov 2019 #37
K&R, They don't care because they're not interested in democracy any longer. They don't want it uponit7771 Nov 2019 #39
Greed and power, yes. But it's also tribal and about an overarching ideology. Garrett78 Nov 2019 #41
They don't care about our Country or our Planet.. Cha Nov 2019 #42
The good guys led by Sheriff Jimmy Stewart or Gary Cooper Beringia Nov 2019 #44
Like it did with Reagan and Iran Contra? Or Bush/Cheney and Iraq? Kentonio Nov 2019 #58
They care about money The Mouth Nov 2019 #45
There can be no equivocation Taraman Nov 2019 #46
Oh, they do care...just not about our nation. TruckFump Nov 2019 #48
they haven't cared about anything in the past several years! subana Nov 2019 #50
Their criteria for impeachment is: Has Trump's actions hurt ME? Kablooie Nov 2019 #51
So why don't the retiring Republicans speak out?? See below. LAS14 Nov 2019 #53
They haven't cared for a long time Midnightwalk Nov 2019 #55
According to morning Joe in private most Republicans doc03 Nov 2019 #56
All of this and more. NCLefty Nov 2019 #57
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