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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
6. No shit! It's
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:02 AM
Jan 2012

becoming more clear why he harbored such screwed up views in the past.

The parade of evils caused by illegal immigration is widely known, and it gets worse every day. In short, illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone. Few people dispute this, and yet nothing is done.

A substantial part of the GOP base urgently wants Republicans, who now control the entire Federal Government, to take the lead in enforcing our nation’s immigration laws. And yet the GOP, despite its unchallenged control, does virtually nothing, infuriating this sector of its party. The White House does worse than nothing; to the extent it acts on this issue at all, it is to introduce legislation designed to sanction and approve of illegal immigration through its “guest worker” program, a first cousin of all-out amnesty for illegal immigrants.

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/gop-fights-itself-on-illegal.html


Those evil illegal immigrants don't deserve amnesty!

Greenwald defended himself:

sahar_shafqat That was a 6 yrs ago: 3 weeks after I began blogging, when I had zero readers. I've discussed many times before how there were many uninformed things I believed back then, before I focused on politics full-time - due to uncritically ingesting conventional wisdom, propaganda, etc. I've written many times since then about how immigrants are exploited by the Right for fear-mongering purposes. I'm 100% in favor of amnesty, think defeat of the DREAM Act was an act of evil, etc. That said, I do think illegal immigration is a serious problem: having millions of people live without legal rights; having a legal scheme that is so pervasively disregarded breeds contempt for the rule of law; virtually every country - not just the U.S. insists on border control because having a manageable immigration process is vital on multiple levels. But that post is something I wrote literally a few weeks after I began blogging when nobody was reading my blog; it was anything but thoughtful, contemplative, and informed, and - like so many things I thought were true then - has nothing to do with what I believe now.

That's why Obama cultists have to dig back 6 years into my archives to try to find things to discredit me.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/a2av5p


Shorter Greenwald: In 2005, I was just a baby in politics, only having just put to rest my trust in Bush and withdrawing my support for the Iraq war. Damn "Obama cultists."
Greenwald: Democratic Party priorities [View all] whatchamacallit Jan 2012 OP
Lol, he knows how to take advantage of all of this. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #1
You are praising a pundit for trolling the left? joshcryer Jan 2012 #4
Actually he's 'trolling' to use your word, the phony left and they continue to take the bait. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #9
So ProSense Jan 2012 #11
Are you alleging that I am the "phony left"? I delt with his last piece, was mocked, ridiculed... joshcryer Jan 2012 #15
Why don't you just read what I post, instead of using this old tactic 'are you saying this or that' sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #23
I read that to say "anyone who takes the bait" is the phony left. That is, you can't disagree... joshcryer Jan 2012 #28
I think what might be confusing to those he calls the "phoney left" is that they do not align rhett o rick Jan 2012 #29
Interesting, I don't know of any pro-torture people here. joshcryer Jan 2012 #33
While vast majority of DUers have consistently opposed torture... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #64
Heh, I had that poll ready to post as a response. joshcryer Jan 2012 #66
Wow, I never saw that. 21 Duers who would consider or outright support torture. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #123
I might be in favor BootinUp Jan 2012 #76
Ha. joshcryer Jan 2012 #79
Thanks for the response, but you changed my words. Those that I describe may not claim to rhett o rick Jan 2012 #138
You said they were "OK" with it. You are now saying... joshcryer Jan 2012 #177
Again you distort what I say. But I am glad to help you. rhett o rick Jan 2012 #180
It's not all black and white. And I quoted your own words. joshcryer Jan 2012 #182
Well said. nt woo me with science Jan 2012 #185
This MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #120
Nailed it. nt Romulox Jan 2012 #131
I think "real liberals" are catching onto GG. He & Paul have quite a bit in common. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #2
No shit! It's ProSense Jan 2012 #6
It's fun watching GG twist in the wind, while namecalling at the same time, "Obama Cultists". Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #20
I think he is exposing the hypocrisy of some who have claimed to be liberals. And he is doing it sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #7
That's ProSense Jan 2012 #8
Anything to say that actually addresses the issues he has raised? You are going off topic sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #10
Here: ProSense Jan 2012 #12
I am not going to another thread, if you can't respond in this thread, then so be it. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #24
Would ProSense Jan 2012 #30
And you asked has Greenwald ever stated that Paul has issues as he did regarding the sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #88
yes, his simply brilliant. brilliant... shines like the sun, he does... dionysus Jan 2012 #147
Well, that's a bit of an exaggeration, and truthfully I suppose it doesn't take a lot sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #153
No True Scotsman _ed_ Jan 2012 #199
So ProSense Jan 2012 #3
Should mental illness be used to trash political opponents with by Progressives? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #13
Wait ProSense Jan 2012 #14
That wasn't even a good try! Did you not agree with the claim that Paul is 'crazy'? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #27
Wait ProSense Jan 2012 #40
So you have no problem using mental illness as a political tool. And that is progressive? How? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #45
I ProSense Jan 2012 #50
Did you think I wanted to 'protect Paul from criticism'?? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #90
Your mentally ill relative- would you want that person in charge of this country's nuclear arsenal? Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #99
Has there been a diagnosis of mental illness that I have not heard of? Was Alan Grayson informed sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #100
Oh, for fuck's sake. Politicians are called "crazy" all the time, even ones far saner than Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #104
I assume then that you did not read the OP. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #107
You're objecting to the calling of ANY politician "crazy", unless I'm mistaken. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #111
Thank you. Finally, someone who actually addressed Greenwald's actual point. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #112
exactly and cheers to you for pointing it out librechik Jan 2012 #150
'Not of the left' sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #162
Right On. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #158
Greenwald should stop digging. Swede Jan 2012 #18
Actually he's milking the attention he's getting from all over the place now sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #34
Read the comments, Ron Paul supporters outnumber progressives overwhelmingly. joshcryer Jan 2012 #53
I'm not following you. Ron Paul supporters do not outnumber progressives. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #57
You said GG's arguments "attracted so many supporters from across the political spectrum"... joshcryer Jan 2012 #62
No, I said Greenwald's argument was that Paul had attracted supporters from across the sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #86
Oh, I'm not disputing that at all. joshcryer Jan 2012 #92
Okay! n/t sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #94
Another GG column where he's just talking about Ron Paul approvingly, but not 'supporting' him? msanthrope Jan 2012 #5
He also quotes a ProSense Jan 2012 #16
At first I thought he was backing down from the rhetoric, but I was surprised to see the Ron Paul... joshcryer Jan 2012 #17
GG is one of the few that make any sense. russspeakeasy Jan 2012 #19
It hurts when your heroes turn out to be racist a-holes, huh? And talk about "shortfalls". Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #21
Never had it happen. Sounds like you have had some experience though, sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #36
I agree. The reason you don't get an answer to that question, is because he has always made sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #42
Heh. Unfortunately still won't be engaged on the merits. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #22
I engaged on the merits last time, this is a rehash. joshcryer Jan 2012 #31
Here, Jack, here's what I wrote to him on his comments (doubt he'll respond): joshcryer Jan 2012 #41
That is a thoughtful post. However, his response would be that you are assuming he sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #168
I did not make that assumption anywhere in my comment, if you read it you would know. joshcryer Jan 2012 #175
Then I misunderstood. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #178
Go to around page 30 if you want to see their responses to me, they're insane. joshcryer Jan 2012 #179
Liberatarians are the must frustrating people to argue with. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #188
The reaction here now reminds me of this strategy.... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #25
Except that today people are a lot more sophisticated about these smear campaigns so they sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #47
Disagreement = smear campaign Dewey Finn Jan 2012 #59
Oh, right! The spook team targeting Greenwald... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #74
Thanks, I will be writing about it myself as I think it is important to remember that the US sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #78
Thanks for sharing MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #122
Jack, those links are not working for some reason. Would love to read it though. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #124
Here are some links about HB Gary vs. Wikileaks/Anonymous/Greenwald JackRiddler Jan 2012 #128
Thank you, watching Colbert. Lol, he's so good. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #154
What a confused self-defense frazzled Jan 2012 #26
Exactly, ProSense Jan 2012 #32
How is he selling him that way?? Did you read his columns at all? He has been crystal clear sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #49
Pat Buchanan isn't actually a candidate or is he running. joshcryer Jan 2012 #37
Did I say he was a candidate? frazzled Jan 2012 #39
Hey, I wasn't disagreeing, frazz, I was just saying that's GG's response to that. joshcryer Jan 2012 #43
I see, but he was a presidential candidate -- frazzled Jan 2012 #133
Nobody is endorsing Paul's "vision" but you better believe that A VISION that is anti-war, TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #46
It'd be good if Ron Paul was actually for those things, but he's not. joshcryer Jan 2012 #55
It makes little difference, the point is to get such concepts into the mass awareness. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #102
Don't attribute Ron Paul's ideas to all progressives. joshcryer Jan 2012 #103
What a dangerous idea frazzled Jan 2012 #135
The Party has the option of pushing good policy. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #184
Perfectly said, thank you! n/t sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #190
Wow MFrohike Jan 2012 #58
Why do you think Dennis Kucinich worked with Paul to try to stop the war in Iraq during sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #98
Good post. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #35
Ron Paul Endorsed by David Duke, Linked to the John Birch Society ProSense Jan 2012 #38
David Duke endorsed Kerry once also. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #44
And ProSense Jan 2012 #48
I would not presume to diagnose the state of anyone's mental health, I am not a doctor. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #52
Do ProSense Jan 2012 #54
Links please. And you still have not addressed the topic of this thread. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #56
By ProSense Jan 2012 #60
That links to someone named Kayser. You stated that Paul had advocated the killing of Gays. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #68
Really? ProSense Jan 2012 #81
Do you have any comment on the OP? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #84
Didn't ProSense Jan 2012 #87
I checked out both of your links and I could find nothing about blacks infecting whites with HIV. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #70
Another ProSense Jan 2012 #83
Ah, so you wanted me to go on a treasure hunt! Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #101
fullofit Whisp Jan 2012 #119
You're asking for links? Really? Dewey Finn Jan 2012 #61
I saw a great comment on a Daily Kos diary: ProSense Jan 2012 #63
Now why is that not a surprise? You need more credible sources I'm afraid. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #73
??? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #65
Yes, because you have no idea whatsoever about the scorn repeated here ad infinitum Dewey Finn Jan 2012 #69
I don't do 'scorn'. But then, you are new here, so maybe you didn't know that. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #75
Oh, I see. Dewey Finn Jan 2012 #80
You're hi-jacking this thread and becoming personal. Do you have any comment on the OP? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #82
Actually, post #75 (by you) is where it got "personal" & threadjacking was attempted Dewey Finn Jan 2012 #89
No, actually it got personal at post #61 when you, someone I do not know, sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #93
Thank Christ for that! Dewey Finn Jan 2012 #95
Ron Paul isn't just linked to the John Birch Society... ellisonz Jan 2012 #118
That's some impressive honesty there, ProSense. Laelth Jan 2012 #129
So, Glenn's not saying he's for Paul. MilesColtrane Jan 2012 #51
Actually, he didn't say that he said this: Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #67
Romney has yet to make a statement on the reduction in military that I see. joshcryer Jan 2012 #71
Obama intends to reduce military personnel but Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #72
He said they will reduce it $490 billion over 10 years. $261 billion in 7 years. joshcryer Jan 2012 #77
Remarks by the President on the Defense Strategic Review Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #91
Fair enough. joshcryer Jan 2012 #96
Again, military spending reductions are nowhere on that list... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #97
I can't disagree with you as it's coming out of personnel. joshcryer Jan 2012 #106
A wave back at ya! Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #115
No. That is NOT a "massive" reduction. bvar22 Jan 2012 #148
Why don't you read what he is saying, and then comment on that, rather than on what you think sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #85
I thought Libertarians were all just poopy-head Republicans who smoke teh pot. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #105
$$$ joshcryer Jan 2012 #108
To be fair, I think a lot of people in our party are sick of the enabling of drug warriors & the MIC Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author joshcryer Jan 2012 #113
Yeah, but issues-wise it's low priority. joshcryer Jan 2012 #116
I would LOVE to see Liz Warren run in 2016. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #146
Agreed kurt_cagle Jan 2012 #191
Good points, I appreciate your thoughts and focus on the actual issues. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #193
Maybe we could all join you in your confusion if you could point out 'all the Paul love' you sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #109
There isn't "all this Paul love" but pretending so gives people a twofer... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #114
Lol, doesn't seem to be working though, most people get what Greenwald is saying. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #117
I don't care. It's stupid to fight over talking heads. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #121
I don't either. And babylonsister Jan 2012 #125
k&r for Greenwald. Laelth Jan 2012 #126
+1 hifiguy Jan 2012 #137
Glenn is complaining about "distortions"????? JoePhilly Jan 2012 #127
I think it's WONDERFUL how threatening the "centrists" find GG. He got to be onto something. Romulox Jan 2012 #130
Seems pretty defensive to me. MineralMan Jan 2012 #132
I wouln't say you 'called him out', but you did provide him with a perfect example of what he sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #169
You called him out about his support for Paul ? You are confused. russspeakeasy Jan 2012 #174
Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Jan 2012 #134
This seems to be your standard response to many threads. hifiguy Jan 2012 #136
Nobody cares what Greenwald has to say anymore. He lacks a D after his name. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #139
Shoot the messenger hifiguy Jan 2012 #140
Greenwald is no ally. He is blindly working towards the same goal as the GOP. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #141
Greenwald supports a less-Bushist, less neocon foreign policy -- too bad party leadership doesn't nashville_brook Jan 2012 #142
I guess that's why he's so outspoken against hifiguy Jan 2012 #145
Oh lawrd. MNBrewer Jan 2012 #173
dumb... yes, actually you do fascisthunter Jan 2012 #144
Well you'd never know it from the millions of words that have typed to show 'how no one cares sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #170
HAHAHA.... and are they ever Exposed fascisthunter Jan 2012 #143
I'll Take the Bait if it offers another opportunity to highlight THESE important issues: bvar22 Jan 2012 #149
All Progressive ideals. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #152
Excellent. woo me with science Jan 2012 #186
This is an outstanding column by Glenn Greenwald, well worth the read. Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #151
Ain't no thing whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #157
I'm back, what did I miss? whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #155
The only choice in the upcoming election will be between the Republican Nominee and FrenchieCat Jan 2012 #156
That's true whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #159
Lamenting is fine, FrenchieCat Jan 2012 #167
correct, and Greenwald is pointing out that the election doesnt address everything Enrique Jan 2012 #166
That's entirely up to the moderator. joshcryer Jan 2012 #176
Greenwald is full of shit. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2012 #160
Link to Greenwald's quote please. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #161
the meat of it is here: Spider Jerusalem Jan 2012 #163
So, he didn't actually say what you quoted him as saying. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #164
That wasn't an exact quote, but yes, he did say it. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2012 #165
Well, is he right or wrong? Who else on the national stage is condemning the secret drone wars sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #171
That's extremely faulty logic, honestly Spider Jerusalem Jan 2012 #181
I don't think Greenwald disagrees with you, nor do any of those who have a greed with him. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #187
Ironically, I am a progressive, not a liberal kurt_cagle Jan 2012 #192
He has said that he agrees with you, that the totality of Paul's positions make him a terrible MNBrewer Jan 2012 #172
Where did he say Paul would be a terrible choice? nt geek tragedy Jan 2012 #195
I guess he didn't say "terrible choice", but he didn't endorse Ron Paul for Pres. MNBrewer Jan 2012 #196
K & R! Wind Dancer Jan 2012 #183
K&R The Midway Rebel Jan 2012 #189
Greenwald sees Paul as vastly superior to Obama. geek tragedy Jan 2012 #194
The issue isn't Greenwald, or even Paul or Obama. The issue is sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #198
just a crooked lawyer with a blog arely staircase Jan 2012 #197
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