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babylonsister

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Sat Nov 9, 2019, 11:11 PM Nov 2019

Andrew Sullivan: This Is No Ordinary Impeachment [View all]

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/andrew-sullivan-this-is-no-ordinary-impeachment.html?fbclid=IwAR31kc870ZBhTMAwzegY7JUFpWOwRcILR2porhDerkETXtjzzOPhqKnjusE


Nov. 8, 2019
This Is No Ordinary Impeachment
By Andrew Sullivan
Photo: Saul Loeb/AFP via Getty Images


This is not just an impeachment. It’s the endgame for Trump’s relentless assault on the institutions, norms, and practices of America’s liberal democracy for the past three years. It’s also a deeper reckoning. It’s about whether the legitimacy of our entire system can last much longer without this man being removed from office.

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Trump has fast-forwarded “regime cleavage.” He is appealing to the people to render him immune from constitutional constraints imposed by the representatives of the people. He has opened up not a divide between right and left so much as a divide over whether the American system of government is legitimate or illegitimate. And that is why I don’t want to defeat Trump in an election, because that would suggest that his assault on the truth, on the Constitution, and on the rule of law is just a set of policy decisions that we can, in time, reject. It creates a precedent for future presidents to assault the legitimacy of the American government, constrained only by their ability to win the next election. In fact, the only proper constitutional response to this abuse of executive power is impeachment. I know I’ve said this before. But on the eve of public hearings, it is vital to remember it.

None of this presidential behavior is tolerable. If the Senate exonerates Trump, it will not just enable the most lawless president in our history to even greater abuses. It will deepen the regime cleavage even further. It will cast into doubt the fairness of the upcoming election. It will foment the conspiracy theory that our current laws and institutions are manifestations of a “deep state” engineering a “coup.” It will prove that a president can indeed abuse his power for his personal advantage without consequence; and it will set a precedent that fundamentally changes the American system from a liberal democracy to a form of elected monarchy, above the other two branches of government.

I wish there were another way forward. But there isn’t. And this, though a moment of great danger, also contains the glimmers of renewal. Removing this petty, shabby tyrant from office goes a long way to restoring and resetting the Constitution as a limit on power and a guarantee against its wanton future abuse. It must be done. With speed, with vigor, and with determination.
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AMEN ! magicarpet Nov 2019 #1
k&r n/t lordsummerisle Nov 2019 #2
K&R 2naSalit Nov 2019 #3
My nation could implode James48 Nov 2019 #4
Amen! kentuck Nov 2019 #5
I agree with him except the Republicans do not embrace this Jarqui Nov 2019 #6
Republicans must be voted out of every level of government. Beartracks Nov 2019 #17
Amen. Scarsdale Nov 2019 #20
I no longer believe in "good Republican people." CrispyQ Nov 2019 #24
Ditto. They have all had chances to do the right things and have chosen to stick with corruption. erronis Nov 2019 #27
The Republican Party is no better than tRump. diane in sf Nov 2019 #7
It isn't, and it'll be the same after Trump. For a half century, the GOP has been on a mission... Garrett78 Nov 2019 #12
Nice post! Poiuyt Nov 2019 #15
Thanks. Garrett78 Nov 2019 #16
K and R Quixote1818 Nov 2019 #8
REPUBLICANS pangaia Nov 2019 #9
Sweet!!Bookmarked this baby!! Pepsidog Nov 2019 #10
word LiberalLovinLug Nov 2019 #11
yes. I was going to post this same excerpt. scipan Nov 2019 #32
I hate that Trump is so fucking terrible that... jcgoldie Nov 2019 #13
I could listen to these Never Trumper types rail against him ALL DAY LONG. NCLefty Nov 2019 #18
Just what I was thinking. smirkymonkey Nov 2019 #26
hear hear! Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #14
The Rosenberg remedy is the best answer to this mess. LuvNewcastle Nov 2019 #38
Yep malaise Nov 2019 #19
Absolutely! "It must be done." pandr32 Nov 2019 #21
Yeah fuck Andrew Sullivan... Historic NY Nov 2019 #22
Correct Mickju Nov 2019 #31
The GOP gave us Trump and can't be separated from him dlk Nov 2019 #23
Indeed! sellitman Nov 2019 #25
If Trump isn't removed by the Senate, he'll commit even worse crimes than before sop Nov 2019 #28
He can be impeached multiple times. Garrett78 Nov 2019 #29
And the Senate would exonerate him multiple times, unless Democrats retake the Senate sop Nov 2019 #34
Kicked, recommended. Duppers Nov 2019 #30
Kickety...kick....kick N_E_1 for Tennis Nov 2019 #33
Then it needs to be fast. Faster. zentrum Nov 2019 #35
I question the assumption soldierant Nov 2019 #36
Kick and f'n Rec LiberalLovinLug Nov 2019 #37
And he must end up in jail after his crimes are tried and proven, for that not to happen Perseus Nov 2019 #39
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