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DFW

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17. You're probably thinking of Saturday morning
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 10:08 AM
Oct 2019

The Sardana, the traditional Catalan folk dance, is performed by everybody and anybody every Saturday morning in front of the Cathedral.

In Castilian, "pero" has the stress on the first syllable. In Catalan, it's on the second syllable: "però," just like in Italian.

Catalan is similar to Medieval French (Langue d'Oc&quot . Texts in Catalan predate texts in Castilian by about a century. Anything directly Latin-related will be similar in Castilian and Catalan unless the Arabic expression is dominant in Castilian. Some words of the old Latin stayed on in use when the rest of the Latin languages moved on (i.e. the Spanish "comer"--to eat--is straight from the Latin "comere," whereas Catalan, French and Italian now use the vernacular mengiar, manger, and mangiare). In Castilian, to say "there aren't any," one just says, "no hay." In Catalan, you say "no en hi ha," more similar to the French "il n'y en a pas." In Castilian, to say that something has nothing to do with something else ("nothing to see" in the Romance languages), you say, "nada que ver con....," where the Catalan "res à veure amb....." is more similar to the French "rien à voir avec......" For "cheese," Spanish even uses the Gothic import word "queso," which is the similarly pronounced Käse in German. Catalan/French/Italian use the vernacular Latin "formatge/fromage,formaggio." Where "to find" in Castillian is either "hallar" or "encontrar," in Catalan/French/Italian, it's "trovar/trouver/trovare." In Catalan the unstressed "o" is pronounced like the English long "u," so the first syllable in Catalan is identical to the French.

The Castilian "es" is pronounced with a soft unvoiced "S" where the Catalan "és" uses a voiced "S," like our "Z." "Casa" is written the same, but in Catalan it is pronounced exactly like in Italian as if it were (in English) "caza."

etc etc........

That should prepare you for your next trip to the western Mediterranean!

good read. Thanks DFW. panader0 Oct 2019 #1
arroz negro enid602 Oct 2019 #2
Thanks, elleng Oct 2019 #3
I always think that Spain changed my life. How, I don't know. I was just so impressed with it. CTyankee Oct 2019 #4
I'm almost never in Italy DFW Oct 2019 #8
Well, I think the experience in Spain was different because it was infusive (is that a word?) as CTyankee Oct 2019 #14
Unfortunately, I have no experience with those companies DFW Oct 2019 #15
I've loved Catalunya since the 1960s. Barcelona was rough in the 70/80's erronis Oct 2019 #5
I wasn't down there much at all during the 1980s DFW Oct 2019 #9
Good points, especially about the CH erronis Oct 2019 #31
The really violent Basques were always very few in number DFW Oct 2019 #32
just back evertonfc Oct 2019 #6
Were you trying to watch the Classico (Barcelona - Madrid)? Ron Obvious Oct 2019 #12
messi.. We saw Messi bag a FK.... evertonfc Oct 2019 #26
I guess I don't have to ask if you had a good time! n/t DFW Oct 2019 #19
I fucking love Catalonia, from Barcelona all up into Perpignan, France. Goodheart Oct 2019 #7
It does grow on you DFW Oct 2019 #10
I was just there this past Wednesday Solomon Oct 2019 #11
I was there a few days in the 70s treestar Oct 2019 #13
You're probably thinking of Saturday morning DFW Oct 2019 #17
I love Barcelona. It's my favorite city. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #16
It's an easy city to give that title to! DFW Oct 2019 #18
My ex was a professor of Spanish. We used to take a study-abroad group there each summer. tblue37 Oct 2019 #21
I was there in the Franco era. DFW Oct 2019 #24
Me too. Our trips started in 1971. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #27
My first time was 1968 DFW Oct 2019 #28
I was always nervous around the Guardia Civil and their automatic weapons. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #29
Ah, yes, "the Guads," as we called them DFW Oct 2019 #30
In Barcelona last year. kairos12 Oct 2019 #20
I can imagine! DFW Oct 2019 #22
Those cobbled streets in the Barrio Gotico date back to Medieval times. Some stores there tblue37 Oct 2019 #23
They certainly do! DFW Oct 2019 #25
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