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In reply to the discussion: Are Liberals Too Eager to Believe Sex Charges Against Julian Assange? [View all]struggle4progress
(118,270 posts)252. The Assange defense lied about that in UK court, and the UK court caught them lying:
... In cross-examination the Swedish lawyer confirmed that paragraph 13 of his proof of evidence is is wrong. The last five lines of paragraph 13 of his proof read: in the following days <after 15th September> I telephoned <Ms Ny> a number of times to ask whether we could arrange a time for Mr Assanges interview but was never given an answer, leaving me with the impression that they may close the rape case without even bothering to interview him. On 27th September 2010, Mr Assange left Sweden. He agreed that this was wrong. Ms Ny did contact him. A specific suggestion was put to him that on 22nd September he sent a text to the prosecutors saying I have not talked to my client since I talked to you. He checked his mobile phone and at first said he did not have the message as he does not keep them that far back. He was encouraged to check his inbox, and there was an adjournment for that purpose. He then confirmed that on 22nd September 2010 at 16.46 he has a message from Ms Ny saying: Hello it is possible to have an interview Tuesday. Next there was a message saying: Thanks for letting me know. We will pursue Tuesday 28th at 1700. He then accepted that there must have been a text from him. You can interpret these text messages as saying that we had a phone call, but I cant say if it was on 21st or 22nd. He conceded that it is possible that Ms Ny told him on the 21st that she wanted to interview his client. She requested a date as soon as possible. He agrees that the following day, 22nd, she contacted him at least twice.
Then he was then cross-examined about his attempts to contact his client. To have the full flavour it may be necessary to consider the transcript in full. In summary the lawyer was unable to tell me what attempts he made to contact his client, and whether he definitely left a message. It was put that he had a professional duty to tell his client of the risk of detention. He did not appear to accept that the risk was substantial or the need to contact his client was urgent. He said I dont think I left a message warning him (about the possibility of arrest). He referred to receiving a text from Ms Ny at 09.11 on 27th September, the day his client left Sweden. He had earlier said he had seen a baggage ticket that Mr Assange had taken a plane that day, but was unable to help me with the time of the flight ...
Mr Hurtig was asked why he told Brita Sundberg-Wietman that Ms Ny had made no effort to interview his client. He denied saying that and said he has never met her. He agrees that he gave information to Mr Alhem. He agrees that where he had said in his statement (paragraph 51) that I found it astonishing that Ms Ny, having allowed five weeks to elapse before she sought out interview, then that is wrong ...
In re-examination he confirmed that he did not know Mr Assange was leaving Sweden on 27th September and first learned he was abroad on 29th. He agreed that the mistakes he had made in his proof were embarrassing and that shouldnt have happened. He also agreed that it is important that what he says is right and important for his client that his evidence is credible.
The witness had to leave to catch a flight. Miss Montgomery said that there were further challenges she could make to his evidence, but thought it unnecessary in the circumstances. That was accepted by the court after no point was taken by Mr Robertson. The witness was clearly uncomfortable and anxious to leave ...
Then he was then cross-examined about his attempts to contact his client. To have the full flavour it may be necessary to consider the transcript in full. In summary the lawyer was unable to tell me what attempts he made to contact his client, and whether he definitely left a message. It was put that he had a professional duty to tell his client of the risk of detention. He did not appear to accept that the risk was substantial or the need to contact his client was urgent. He said I dont think I left a message warning him (about the possibility of arrest). He referred to receiving a text from Ms Ny at 09.11 on 27th September, the day his client left Sweden. He had earlier said he had seen a baggage ticket that Mr Assange had taken a plane that day, but was unable to help me with the time of the flight ...
Mr Hurtig was asked why he told Brita Sundberg-Wietman that Ms Ny had made no effort to interview his client. He denied saying that and said he has never met her. He agrees that he gave information to Mr Alhem. He agrees that where he had said in his statement (paragraph 51) that I found it astonishing that Ms Ny, having allowed five weeks to elapse before she sought out interview, then that is wrong ...
In re-examination he confirmed that he did not know Mr Assange was leaving Sweden on 27th September and first learned he was abroad on 29th. He agreed that the mistakes he had made in his proof were embarrassing and that shouldnt have happened. He also agreed that it is important that what he says is right and important for his client that his evidence is credible.
The witness had to leave to catch a flight. Miss Montgomery said that there were further challenges she could make to his evidence, but thought it unnecessary in the circumstances. That was accepted by the court after no point was taken by Mr Robertson. The witness was clearly uncomfortable and anxious to leave ...
City of Westminster Magistrates Court (Sitting at Belmarsh Magistrates Court)
The judicial authority in Sweden -v- Julian Paul Assange
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If you admittedly know nothing of the facts of the case, why are you judging the opinions of others?
leveymg
Sep 2012
#111
Conspiracy theories exist because the official explanations no longer make sense.
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#126
I posted it in GD a couple weeks ago. Got locked and told to take it to Creative Speculation.
backscatter712
Sep 2012
#169
Well said. And your observation is worth repeating. Please let me borrow a portion:
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2012
#98
An excellent post. Rape apologia requires a lot of explanation, though, which is why
msanthrope
Sep 2012
#148
And it has not occurred to you that there is available evidence in this case which
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#172
He is not charged with or wanted for rape. You still are not in possession of the facts
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#196
Obviously you are not in possession of the facts. He is wanted for QUESTIONING.
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#209
"... In the Swedish system formal indictment takes place at a very late stage in proceedings,
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#225
Again he is wanted for questioning, that is all. There are no charges filed. I am well
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#229
... In this matter, the prosecutor’s deliberations resulted in a request for the detention
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#244
"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#223
"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#265
Is that your experience in Canada? Are liberals in Canada the same as liberals in the US?
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2012
#104
"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#266
So does strident labeling of anyone who questions the charges as being afflicted by "hero worship"
marmar
Sep 2012
#11
After two years of letting him play the appeals process for all it was worth...
randome
Sep 2012
#25
There are a few countries in this world that would totally disagree with you on that.
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#234
Narcissism isn't against the law in any country, as far as I'm aware. If the women themselves
1monster
Sep 2012
#31
President Obama dosen't flinch at "taking out" actual and supposed enemies and
1monster
Sep 2012
#42
Have you a link for "has refused to cooperate with the Swedish police", please?
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2012
#108
Apparently, Sweden is a unique jurisdiction...a person reports acts, and then
msanthrope
Sep 2012
#180
I asked you before but you have not answered: Where do you see this hero-worship, and who
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#99
Nope. Unless of course you automatically believe that women lie about assault.
Honeycombe8
Sep 2012
#12
I stated a fact. There are still no charges against Assange after two, long years where it was
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#88
And you already know that this excuse has been debunked over and over again. Even they
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#95
Resorting again to personal attacks, but you still have not answered the question nearly
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#105
It is not correct to say that Sweden could not arrest someone in London. They are a member
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#110
Um, a Swedish court has ordered his arrest: the Swedes want him back in Sweden to arrest him
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#253
"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list Vi
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#267
Lies, lies and lies are all you are offering. Assange was cleared and allowed to leave
1monster
Sep 2012
#34
"... In cross-examination the Swedish lawyer confirmed that paragraph 13 of his proof of evidence is
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#251
Well, if he had run, you would have a point. But he did not run. In fact he went to the police
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#92
The Assange defense lied about that in UK court, and the UK court caught them lying:
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#252
The defense did not lie, the defense like many defense attorneys do every day
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#289
Assange's attorney admitted to the court he had made untrue claims -- yet you repeat those claims
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#294
No, I believe a woman when she says 'there was no rape'. Why would anyone not believe her?
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#97
"The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story"
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#276
There is a valid arrest order from a Swedish court, which has withstood several appeals
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#295
Glad you brought up the 'valid arrest warrant'. There is doubt as to whether that arrest
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#298
The matter's been litigated thoroughly in both the UK and Sweden. The Swedish court's arrest order
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#299
The matter of the legitimacy of the warrant has been raised and has not been litigated
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#300
Warrant validity was the central topic in the UK cases. Assange lost. The cases are here:
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#301
It has not been litigated in Sweden. The issue has been raised in Sweden and
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#303
Yes, Rove, glad you brought it up. Rove has been, oh so coincidentally, in the background
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#101
Let me try again to keep this discussion on an adult level. Why has the prosecutor
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#106
Got any evidence of that? I'm sure you are not trying to be funny since you apparently take
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#107
I think nothing of Rove, the criminal 'mastermind' behind Palin, Romney & Akin.
randome
Sep 2012
#120
Not everywhere, but definitely and coincidentally in Sweden at just the 'right' time.
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#231
If you remember he was being questioned by Congress for his role in the firing of the US
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#232
Such as your own comments in this thread dismissing those who actually want to see
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#143
From my observations, I've seen quite the opposite reaction among liberals to the charges
Cirque du So-What
Sep 2012
#59
Obama is a centrist, not a liberal. We liberals wish he was a liberal. Oh, yeah, and
valerief
Sep 2012
#134
And again, you leave out one very important fact. Assange has been available for questioning
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#141
It takes energy to do what you are doing to set the facts straight, and I thank you.
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2012
#220
In my experience no one is ever too eager to believe rape charges, particularly against a celebrity.
D23MIURG23
Sep 2012
#72
I see the opposite in this case. I see a concerted effort to believe the rape
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#173
They stated that there was no threat to them, that they were never in danger
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#161
Well, if that is true, then Assange should be able to win easily in Sweden
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#245
"The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story"
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#277
In what way, exactly, are those who have abandoned the presumption of innocence "liberals"?
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2012
#76
You are claiming to have special expertise on an issue of which you obviously do not such expertise.
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2012
#206
'All lawyers'? Totally wrong. You apparently are the one not keeping up with this case.
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#238
This is not about success in court; it's about when the allegation is 'rape'
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2012
#239
Note that the rape allegation is about Sofia, not the woman Boström refers to (nt)
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2012
#288
"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list V
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#268
"the public’s desire to see officials investigate rape/crimes against women is being exploited"
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#123
Yes, he did. But I did not. Karl Rove fled to Sweden when he was wanted here by
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#140
"Shooting George Galloway in the face isn't murder! It's just bad gun etiquette!"
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#158
Wypijewski's piece shows just how much analytical power the Left has lost, by abandoning
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#150
Your peculiar belief, that everyone who disagrees with you is a rightwinger, can serve
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#197
Your peculiar belief, that everyone who disagrees with you is a rightwinger, can serve
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#212
LOL! Bush: "See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again
Zorra
Sep 2012
#247
it's nothing to do with wikileaks being 'sacred'. i personally have doubts about what wikileaks
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#221
That's because "Israel Shamir" who authored that rumour (at your link) is well known in Sweden
msanthrope
Sep 2012
#179
Is that philosophy true across the boards or just when you find it a good arguing point.
Bonobo
Sep 2012
#201
What we know is that the prosecutor has evaded and obfuscated and avoided filing
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#204
I believe he should answer the charges, assuming neither guilt nor innocence.
AtomicKitten
Sep 2012
#208
Well, that's up to the prosecutor. He already voluntary spoke to the police. But the prosecutor
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#211
The Assange defense lied about that in UK court, and the UK court caught them lying:
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#270
You "believe he should answer the charges" when no charges have been brought by a prosecutor?
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2012
#215
You clearly do not value (nor are familiar with) Sweden's legal due process.
AtomicKitten
Sep 2012
#224
And you clearly do not understand Sweden's legal due process. A process that so far
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#237
"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#271
"... In the Swedish system formal indictment takes place at a very late stage in proceedings,
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#272
The Stockholm District Court has ordered Assange's arrest. He appealed twice but lost
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#273
Hack's back. How about answering my questions on your standards as the arbiter of a sex crime
riderinthestorm
Sep 2012
#242
Nice try hack. The women didn't report a crime, they went for an HIV test
riderinthestorm
Sep 2012
#246
I wouldn't. And neither did the women in Sweden. But you are saying you get to decide
riderinthestorm
Sep 2012
#255
I just told you the exact same thing happened to me this morning and I am a-ok with that.
riderinthestorm
Sep 2012
#259
"The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story"
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#278
"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#274
The Stockholm District Court has ordered Assange's arrest. He appealed twice but lost
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#275
Yes--you can dismiss those allegations....they are completely fabricated by a nasty little man
msanthrope
Sep 2012
#292