We're not at war (Reply #145) - Democratic Underground

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Thu Sep 19, 2019, 07:47 PM

zipplewrath (14,920 posts)

145. We're not at war

Treason is very narrowly defined in the Constitution and Congress' tendency to not declare any sort of war is problematic in establishing treason, especially by cabinet officers and above.

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146 replies	Author	Time	Post
Breaking Trump's communications w foreign leader part of controversial whistleblower complaint [View all]	hlthe2b	Sep 18	OP
Paging Lindsey Graham	Freethinker65	Sep 18	#1
Honestly, is there any amount of apparent traitorous behavior they won't excuse?	hlthe2b	Sep 18	#2
Apparently not. Treason is a profitable endeavor...	dchill	Sep 18	#84
He didn't get	DENVERPOPS	Sep 19	#127
Lip service - Lindsey's one talent.	sandensea	Sep 19	#143
Betting on Putin.	TruckFump	Sep 18	#3
Yes, that's a good bet.	hlthe2b	Sep 18	#4
Pretty made in the shade.	TruckFump	Sep 18	#5
It's Putty boy for sure.	triron	Sep 18	#82
could also be Madman Bone Saw, for the money	Hermit-The-Prog	Sep 19	#87
The Saudis are holding the "note"	saidsimplesimon	Sep 19	#129
maybe he promised MBS we'd take Iran after fake attack on refinery	Hermit-The-Prog	Sep 19	#130
Good bet	ck4829	Sep 19	#91
He most probably owes Putin more than the 2016 election	Perseus	Sep 19	#138
Only one way to put it...	TruckFump	Sep 19	#140
This is bad. It's gotta be Putin.	gldstwmn	Sep 18	#6
Either putin or the Saudi prince who murdered Khashoggi. nt	ecstatic	Sep 18	#19
Agree.	SayItLoud	Sep 18	#24
That is my guess too.	world wide wally	Sep 18	#36
holy shit.	BlancheSplanchnik	Sep 18	#66
Not all the armies - just the nukes.	lagomorph777	Sep 19	#139
The interpreter?	LiberalLovinLug	Sep 18	#65
Might as well assume that Trump explicitly pledged allegiance to Putin...	Girard442	Sep 18	#7
Trump, being asked to PROVE something?	SergeStorms	Sep 18	#31
Indeed	ck4829	Sep 19	#98
Heads up tomorrow!!	Dennis Donovan	Sep 18	#8
MORE*	hlthe2b	Sep 18	#9
**THIS is a bombshell!!	Dennis Donovan	Sep 18	#12
More has to leak... even if the IG only speaks to Schiff's committee in private	hlthe2b	Sep 18	#14
+1	dalton99a	Sep 18	#16
One possibility	Desert grandma	Sep 18	#47
Yep. I bet he assured Putin he would run out the clock	Ilsa	Sep 18	#70
Everyone is saying Putin. Nyet. Its Kim	GusBob	Sep 18	#68
Or, promised him the U.S. would pull its military from South Korea...	LudwigPastorius	Sep 19	#103
Or he would "take care of it" regarding...	lame54	Sep 19	#115
Good to know	ck4829	Sep 19	#92
What good are systems	superpatriotman	Sep 18	#10
THIS IS A HUGE STORY	ritapria	Sep 18	#11
It absolutely is	ck4829	Sep 19	#99
This matter must be fully fuck investigated. Nt	BootinUp	Sep 18	#13
trump the traitor has to go.	ecstatic	Sep 18	#15
GREAT news!	bluestarone	Sep 18	#17
Is it treason yet?	gldstwmn	Sep 18	#18
Yes.	mtngirl47	Sep 18	#44
Yes	ck4829	Sep 19	#97
We're not at war	zipplewrath	Sep 19	#145
Rachel Maddow discussing NOW	hlthe2b	Sep 18	#20
Seems this is a huge story	Johnny2X2X	Sep 18	#21
It surely ought to be.	hlthe2b	Sep 18	#23
It needs to be even bigger	ck4829	Sep 19	#93
and the acting DNI head's only excuse for not turning it over	Takket	Sep 18	#22
Everyone is "acting" in Trump's administration.	SergeStorms	Sep 18	#28
+1	uponit7771	Sep 18	#39
O'Donnell just read line saying the whistleblower act is not subject to judicial review.	muntrv	Sep 18	#67
I've been eerily calm today, waiting on a bombshell story...yep, here it is	Leghorn21	Sep 18	#25
Gotta' be Putin.	SergeStorms	Sep 18	#26
This is HUGE	malaise	Sep 18	#27
Did you hear Rachel's segment with Carol Leonig (spp?) from WAPO?	hlthe2b	Sep 18	#29
My jaw dropped	malaise	Sep 18	#30
"stunned incredulity" ---- can I use that for a song title?	panader0	Sep 18	#64
Sure - I stole it from a cricket commentator	malaise	Sep 19	#88
Do we dare hope that	Nevermypresident	Sep 18	#38
Which foreign leader was he making a "promise" to?	kentuck	Sep 18	#32
What power is there to use. Congress's only power is through the courts;	ancianita	Sep 19	#122
And of course, Seth Abramson is on it--his full thread (thus far)	hlthe2b	Sep 18	#33
If the DNI had followed the Standard Protocol	HiloHatti	Sep 18	#34
If reputable news outlets already know this much...	W_HAMILTON	Sep 18	#35
Fear of being scammed like Dan Rather...N/T	flotsam	Sep 18	#81
good point.	stopdiggin	Sep 19	#131
Hopefully they will	ck4829	Sep 19	#94
t-rump and the republicans are a danger	Iliyah	Sep 18	#37
Wow	Gothmog	Sep 18	#40
Remember the spy extracted to the US & subsequently doxxed? That Putin desperately WANTS?	hlthe2b	Sep 18	#41
Yep.	dalton99a	Sep 18	#49
Trump promising Putin the spy in exchange for...	SergeStorms	Sep 18	#62
Trump	DENVERPOPS	Sep 19	#132
Do you mean....	SergeStorms	Sep 19	#141
Horrific indeed	ck4829	Sep 19	#100
This. nt	GreenEyedLefty	Sep 19	#120
Putin or MBS or Kim Jong Un...	BadgerMom	Sep 18	#42
the GOP has been working for decades to establish a bullet proof infrastructure to protect their	yaesu	Sep 18	#43
I'm thinking THIS could	bluestarone	Sep 18	#45
Lawrence O'Donnell about to cover too and going over the law...	hlthe2b	Sep 18	#46
Now the whistleblower, according to law, can go directly with the docs to Congress, once the	ancianita	Sep 18	#50
L.O. has a panel of top intel community experts in discussion.	oasis	Sep 18	#60
Good timing to begin the impeachment proceedings.	world wide wally	Sep 18	#48
My guess is that it was Putin as per the following:	Botany	Sep 18	#51
Yep. Remote hacking. They've got the infrastructure to do this.	ancianita	Sep 18	#52
And just by chance the voting machines were made with electronic backdoors that allowed ...	Botany	Sep 18	#56
Yes, and just by chance MF45 is visiting all the blue states, and will over time be able to	ancianita	Sep 18	#59
And yet the exit polls had HRC winning those states too.	Botany	Sep 18	#69
Yes. And Trump's not worried about those states right now. He's in the harder terrain, like CA.	ancianita	Sep 18	#74
Mueller said publicly that all levels of cyber attacks are going on "right now." Could the	ancianita	Sep 18	#63
Mueller resigned in late May, 2019.	Webhead	Sep 19	#119
Thanks. Welp, the whistleblower is either in the FBI or intel, then. My guess is the FBI.	ancianita	Sep 19	#128
This isn't	DENVERPOPS	Sep 19	#133
Even before that the GOP and part of the CIA had been working on manipulation of electronic ....	Botany	Sep 19	#136
what are they using? Maybe...	reACTIONary	Sep 19	#89
imagine how bad this is....	Takket	Sep 18	#53
Then what. I'm clueless about what the nation could do with it. He's betting noone can stop	ancianita	Sep 19	#113
tRump and the conservanazis have ignored the rule of law.	TxVietVet	Sep 18	#54
Only 3	MFM008	Sep 18	#55
Yeah, this seems to be a truly 'chilling' thing the whistle-blower came upon.	LenaBaby61	Sep 18	#57
Not from where we stand it won't	ck4829	Sep 19	#96
I suspect this bombshell report is only the tip of the iceberg. The depth	Enoki33	Sep 18	#58
100% I will remember your name. Enoki, as a conduit of truth.	Doodley	Sep 18	#78
You know it	ck4829	Sep 19	#95
Was it a promise to kill someone?	EveHammond13	Sep 18	#61
K&R	Fan of Da Bearse	Sep 18	#71
Why doesn't the whistleblower secretly tell Schiff all about the call?	Webhead	Sep 18	#72
Intel is listening and the legal whistleblower protections go out the window. The whistleblower	ancianita	Sep 18	#75
Thanks for your reply, but...	Webhead	Sep 19	#108
What could happen to the whistleblower if s/he goes to Schiff on the QT?	ancianita	Sep 19	#112
Lawrence Tribe Tweeted that the Whistleblower...	Webhead	Sep 19	#117
The IG meeting with Schiff is over. This is so urgent that Schiff will act on this NEXT WEEK.	ancianita	Sep 19	#125
He knows Trump is a mobster, protected by dark forces that would kill if needed.	Doodley	Sep 18	#77
Trump doesn't need dark forces to kill for him!	Webhead	Sep 19	#124
Trump promised to deliver the US to Putin on a silver platter.	mudstump	Sep 18	#73
The most shocking revelation is that Trump only made an improper promise to ONE foreign leader.	Doodley	Sep 18	#76
That we know of.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Sep 18	#80
Someone needs to put that whistleblower in protective custody	Horse with no Name	Sep 18	#79
I'll wait till the facts come out. I hope they do.	dem4decades	Sep 18	#83
knr	triron	Sep 18	#85
Kicksters	jeffreyi	Sep 18	#86
K&R	ck4829	Sep 19	#90
The key to the story is from Abramson's comments..(see post 33 by....hlthe2b.... )	Stuart G	Sep 19	#101
Yes. Some on AM Joe are trying to diminish the seriousness by emphasizing Presdident can declassify	hlthe2b	Sep 19	#102
You are correct and I agree with you totally...	Stuart G	Sep 19	#105
Interesting timeline...	hlthe2b	Sep 19	#104
And after that....	kentuck	Sep 19	#107
Damn interesting that Trump made sure Gordon or Sanner wouldn't succeed Coats, but Maguire	muriel_volestrangler	Sep 19	#114
Interesting take from counterintelligence expert, Asha Rangappa	hlthe2b	Sep 19	#106
Josh Marshall (TPM) brings up several good points:	hlthe2b	Sep 19	#109
"One former official said the communication was a phone call."	DFW	Sep 19	#110
Praying for delicious irony that the call was on Dump's personal, unauthorized phone	flibbitygiblets	Sep 19	#126
I'll take "I promise not to interfere when you occupy Ukraine" for $500, Alex.	COLGATE4	Sep 19	#111
2 Twitter posts that focus the issues involved	bucolic_frolic	Sep 19	#116
After just listening to Schiff, I'm even more worried. According to him, the matter has pretty much	Vinca	Sep 19	#118
You should find and watch last night's Lawrence O'Donnell panel. This law was written specifically	hlthe2b	Sep 19	#121
NEW: The whistleblower is being represented by Andrew P. Bakaj, a former CIA officer.	hlthe2b	Sep 19	#123
He got away with it under the FISA warrant in 2016	ffr	Sep 19	#134
Lawrence Tribe on the only legal remedy for recalcitrant IG and DNI:	hlthe2b	Sep 19	#135
im sick and tired of the administration ignoring the law	rdking647	Sep 19	#137
We already knew about that about a month ago	Farmer-Rick	Sep 19	#142
Remember Nixon monkey wrenched the peace talks to get elected.	MasonDreams	Sep 19	#144
Link to TODAY'S NEW reporting:	hlthe2b	Sep 19	#146

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