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dawg day

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26. Well, that was probably the deal Kissinger and Haig made Ford agree to -

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 11:50 PM

Aug 2019

to get Nixon to resign.

Someone might negotiate that with Pence, but Pence has a bit of the snake to him... he might just renege and not pardon Trump.

Something different with Nixon-- he might have committed a state (or DC) jurisdiction crime (covering up the provenance of the original burglary, bribing the burglars), but most of his crimes were definitely federal.

Trump has a lot of probable state crimes-- financial crimes, to start with, but paying off Daniels and the National Enquirer and lying on official forms and probably state income tax fraud-- AND a NY AG who isn't cowed at all by him.

So even if Pence pardons him (like right after the election), the state crimes will still exist. Thing is, Trump's going to be old and maybe pretty senile by next year, and maybe because of that, he won't be brought to justice.

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I still can't believe Ford pardoned Nixon [View all] sharedvalues Aug 2019 OP

Yeah, I'm still kind of steamed about that. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2019 #1

If he hadn't agreed to that... LisaM Aug 2019 #2

Yeah. Really ford should have been impeached for that unblock Aug 2019 #5

+1 sharedvalues Aug 2019 #7

A president's power to pardon is absolute, The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2019 #8

It's absolute in the sense no one could undo it unblock Aug 2019 #35

Don't forget customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #30

Yes, but then he became an important ally to Jimmy Carter, helped him deal with Congress Rhiannon12866 Aug 2019 #32

what reckoning ? JI7 Aug 2019 #3

Precedent: presidents that commit crimes go to jail sharedvalues Aug 2019 #6

we have elections in this country. that's how public officials should mostly be held JI7 Aug 2019 #9

We have rule of law! The country was founded on this principle. sharedvalues Aug 2019 #10

that has never been the case. white people killed minorities and were set free JI7 Aug 2019 #11

Yes which is why Nixon needed to be punished. sharedvalues Aug 2019 #15

this was happening even before nixon JI7 Aug 2019 #17

Gotta start somewhere! sharedvalues Aug 2019 #18

+10000 Celerity Aug 2019 #12

I got over that 40 years ago.....why get in a tizzy over past mistakes? virgogal Aug 2019 #4

Er, Cheney and Rumsfeld came back to haunt us, for starters? July Aug 2019 #20

Pardon shut down Nixon's inconvenient trial. Kid Berwyn Aug 2019 #13

'Learn the lessons of the past - or be doomed to repeat' empedocles Aug 2019 #14

Yes! sharedvalues Aug 2019 #16

I'm reminded of Obama not willing to investigate Bush's Iraq war lies. NCLefty Aug 2019 #19

👍 captain queeg Aug 2019 #33

If Ford doesn't pardon Nixon, he probably wins reelection and Jimmy Carter is never elected... Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #21

That's a lot of what-ifs customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #31

I can. MicaelS Aug 2019 #22

On McGovern sharedvalues Aug 2019 #23

Good article. MicaelS Aug 2019 #24

And Ford paid the price-- lost the next election. dawg day Aug 2019 #27

I was 28 years old that year. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #29

A majority of Americans opposed the pardon... Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #34

I understood. KentuckyWoman Aug 2019 #25

Well, that was probably the deal Kissinger and Haig made Ford agree to - dawg day Aug 2019 #26

We need justice for us. Not for him. sharedvalues Aug 2019 #37

It's been a few years and I'm still p*ssed about it. shraby Aug 2019 #28

After Yanukovic jailed predecessor Tymoshenko Ukraine split in two from civil war Cicada Aug 2019 #36

Right but after Nixon was pardoned we got Reagan and Trump sharedvalues Aug 2019 #38