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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #36)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:05 AM

44. Not buying it

I've seen you make that second connection several times now... without supporting it.

That isn't how fiction works. When you tell a story it exists within a certain universe/structure, but the character is independent of that structure. If we talk of a "Romeo" we might be talking about young love unwilling to go on without the object of his affection... but we aren't saying anything about people from Verona. We can change to "West Side Story" and replace feuding families with racial/gang tensions of the Jets/Sharks... but Tony is the same character. Maria is from Puerto Rico (and the clash in the background is clearly racial in nature), but she's just a retelling of Juliett. You could associate someone with the character of "Maria" to say that she's young and beautiful and overly quick to fall deeply in love without seeing faults that others in her group view through their own bias... but you wouldn't be limited to using the label to Puerto Rican women. There are lots of Marias and Tonys out there.

If he has negative character traits, then calling someone "a Romeo" could be an insult (as this was no doubt intended to be)... but it would be associated with those character traits... which are independent of his background in that telling of the story (as opposed to The Brothers Karamazov or King Lear where similar characters have entirely different backgrounds).

If "Vader" became an insulting name to call people... it would have little to nothing to do with whether the target of the insult had emigrated to Tatooine.

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