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jberryhill

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30. Since we passed the Constitution
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:56 AM
Aug 2019

But, don’t worry, as soon as we get rid of the Constitution, lawyers and courts won’t have any say in how prisoners are treated. There will be no right to object, and no right to petition the court if that objection is ignored. You’ll love it.

Who trusts Barr to Scarsdale Aug 2019 #1
Since when do defense lawyers get to control prison protocol? Botany Aug 2019 #2
Exactly, what bullshit njhoneybadger Aug 2019 #26
Since we passed the Constitution jberryhill Aug 2019 #30
Actually, defense lawyers can persuade jail staff, or a judge, to change conditions of confinement. Shrike47 Aug 2019 #39
That's part of their job. StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #51
'advocate' for them. Hmmm. empedocles Aug 2019 #57
That's a really good point jberryhill Aug 2019 #96
There should be a transcript, or defense motion, no? n/t asiliveandbreathe Aug 2019 #55
It works this way.... dixiegrrrrl Aug 2019 #98
Too bad Epstein was not jailed in an ICE facility. gordianot Aug 2019 #3
Some Facts ashredux Aug 2019 #4
What I've wondered duforsure Aug 2019 #10
Makes one say.."Hmmm." ashredux Aug 2019 #13
The answer is 2naSalit Aug 2019 #14
7. Dead men tell no tales njhoneybadger Aug 2019 #29
The attorneys are culpable whether it's murder or suicide. no_hypocrisy Aug 2019 #5
No they aren't. former9thward Aug 2019 #9
Exactly. Jail has to follow its own rules, not what defense lawyers request. LisaL Aug 2019 #12
Nonsense jberryhill Aug 2019 #22
No, it's not normal what happened here. LisaL Aug 2019 #100
No, they're not StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #11
Yep. DU has the memory of a housefly jberryhill Aug 2019 #19
This StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #21
What's shocking about threads like this jberryhill Aug 2019 #27
Shocking but not surprising, based on other things I've seen here. StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #49
+1 Blue_Tires Aug 2019 #36
And did his defense lawyer also asked to remove his cellmate, and not check on him every LisaL Aug 2019 #6
If true, that would be ridiculously irresponsible FBaggins Aug 2019 #7
Oh really? jberryhill Aug 2019 #17
IIRC... that was both after and before FBaggins Aug 2019 #18
No, you don't recall correctly jberryhill Aug 2019 #20
"Last week, Chelsea made a decision to end her life," FBaggins Aug 2019 #48
It's not likely that he was taken off of suicide watch just because he and his lawyers asked StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #50
Nice try: "Manning lawyer: Suicide joke led to stripping". You are conflating different events jberryhill Aug 2019 #56
A well done hit ashredux Aug 2019 #8
So the lawyers are enabler, co-conspirators? Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #15
You left out one... jberryhill Aug 2019 #43
Oh, hell yes it could happen. Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #47
Where was the two-timing mall lawyer operating? StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #53
He may have been an independent attorney. Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #61
But getting back to the point jberryhill Aug 2019 #78
Just heard on tv that his lawyers are Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #81
Well, yeah... jberryhill Aug 2019 #83
Oh, okay, so.... jberryhill Aug 2019 #65
If you knew that your client tried to commit suicide, isn't it Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #93
It's not an easy question jberryhill Aug 2019 #94
Thank you. Very informative. Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #95
Since when does a fed prison under DOJ rules listen to a defense attorney? Claritie Pixie Aug 2019 #16
Pretty much every day jberryhill Aug 2019 #23
Defense lawyers shouldn't be able to request that Beringia Aug 2019 #24
Bullshit jberryhill Aug 2019 #25
Keeping Epstein on suicide watch was a no-brainer Ponietz Aug 2019 #38
You can laugh all you want jberryhill Aug 2019 #40
I read the post to indicate that the authority for the change had to come from admin Ponietz Aug 2019 #46
This is the problem with making assumptions without information or knowledge StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #54
25 years honorable service practicing criminal defense Ponietz Aug 2019 #58
Given your background in criminal defense, it's surprising you're so dismissive of the StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #60
Know better than stating continued suicide watch was a no-brainer? Ponietz Aug 2019 #63
So, let's be clear jberryhill Aug 2019 #67
Read the title of the OP--"Jailers claim..." Ponietz Aug 2019 #74
The Eighth Amendment addresses pre-trial detention jberryhill Aug 2019 #77
I want to know who approved it without even a Motion being filed Ponietz Aug 2019 #86
Okay, so... jberryhill Aug 2019 #87
You know the point--keeping him on suicide watch was a no-brainer Ponietz Aug 2019 #88
Then why were his lawyers trying to GET HIM OUT OF JAIL ENTIRELY? jberryhill Aug 2019 #89
You seem shocked in your own way Ponietz Aug 2019 #92
The "Sky is green" folk also think the Barr DOJ should be given some benefit of the doubt uponit7771 Aug 2019 #111
Yep, and have logorrhea, besides Ponietz Aug 2019 #115
I can't imagine how they had a medical justification for taking a patient off suicide watch pnwmom Aug 2019 #68
Obviously, the facility is not run according to your imagination jberryhill Aug 2019 #69
It wouldn't have cost them any time or resources pnwmom Aug 2019 #71
Well, excuse me, but facility wasn't even run according to their own protocol. LisaL Aug 2019 #99
Yeah and? jberryhill Aug 2019 #101
Defense attorneys can not do that Iliyah Aug 2019 #28
That's just not true jberryhill Aug 2019 #32
And the DOJ knew . . Iliyah Aug 2019 #33
Huh? jberryhill Aug 2019 #35
Exactly, I suspect the warden approved it Ponietz Aug 2019 #34
What? You seem to be saying Barr personally controls conditions of confinement. No. Shrike47 Aug 2019 #42
What's really stupid about this shit... jberryhill Aug 2019 #44
You're right, Barr has no influence at all :rolleyes: uponit7771 Aug 2019 #112
Is it possible that Epstein paid a 42bambi Aug 2019 #31
Yep, and he got lucky on the first try! jberryhill Aug 2019 #73
Something tells me the prison admin and guards didn't see Epstein as a means to take Hoyt Aug 2019 #37
Are you kidding? jberryhill Aug 2019 #41
As much as it may pain me to say it, listen to Berryhill. What the lawyers did was normal. Shrike47 Aug 2019 #45
Heard an NPR report this morning- prisoners often request to go back to underpants Aug 2019 #52
Bottom line is the guards might as well have left Epstein alone in a room with a loaded pistol, pnwmom Aug 2019 #62
I see where Epstein's civil attorneys are lawyering up. Interesting. Sneederbunk Aug 2019 #59
I still wonder who with access to this guy had a large deposit in their accounts afterwards. redstatebluegirl Aug 2019 #64
A prisoner is allowed to remove himself from suicide watch? lame54 Aug 2019 #66
A prisoner is allowed to have legal representatives seek modification of their detention conditions jberryhill Aug 2019 #70
Hanged himself with PAPER sheets? Bullshit! ElementaryPenguin Aug 2019 #72
Surely you've all heard the "Epstein is alive" theory? mainer Aug 2019 #75
I think Maddow reported last night DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #76
Yes, they would want separate lawyers to review... jberryhill Aug 2019 #79
But would you need criminal defense lawyers to defend against a potential malpractice claim? pnwmom Aug 2019 #80
Sigh... jberryhill Aug 2019 #82
I agree. So why would they need a criminal lawyer, the kind of lawyer they are said to have hired, pnwmom Aug 2019 #84
I literally just answered that question jberryhill Aug 2019 #85
Or maybe they are protecting themselves from criminal exposure not related to his death. pnwmom Aug 2019 #90
Yes, Twitter is full of theories jberryhill Aug 2019 #91
So is DU. But the lawyers I follow on Twitter, like Laurence Tribe, pnwmom Aug 2019 #97
I don't understand your comment jberryhill Aug 2019 #102
Why are you taking this personally? You denigrated lawyers on Twitter pnwmom Aug 2019 #103
And I'm asking you a simple question jberryhill Aug 2019 #105
That they're not the anonymous "legal experts" you implied that they were. (Post 91.) pnwmom Aug 2019 #106
Who said anything about being anonymous? jberryhill Aug 2019 #107
You didn't name a single "legal expert" aside from Avenatti. But you said they were "all wrong" pnwmom Aug 2019 #108
"They" being the ones you kept citing in that discussion jberryhill Aug 2019 #109
Yeah, right. nt pnwmom Aug 2019 #110
Yeah indeed jberryhill Aug 2019 #113
Yes, you are always right. pnwmom Aug 2019 #114
Thanks again jberryhill Aug 2019 #116
As I said, you are always right. Righty right right. pnwmom Aug 2019 #117
Actually the price of tea in China is much higher than it needs to be, but that is because of the still_one Aug 2019 #104
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