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29. 7. Dead men tell no tales

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Epstein's jailers claim he was removed from suicide watch at request of his defense lawyers. [View all] pnwmom Aug 2019 OP

Who trusts Barr to Scarsdale Aug 2019 #1

Since when do defense lawyers get to control prison protocol? Botany Aug 2019 #2

Exactly, what bullshit njhoneybadger Aug 2019 #26

Since we passed the Constitution jberryhill Aug 2019 #30

Actually, defense lawyers can persuade jail staff, or a judge, to change conditions of confinement. Shrike47 Aug 2019 #39

That's part of their job. StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #51

'advocate' for them. Hmmm. empedocles Aug 2019 #57

That's a really good point jberryhill Aug 2019 #96

There should be a transcript, or defense motion, no? n/t asiliveandbreathe Aug 2019 #55

It works this way.... dixiegrrrrl Aug 2019 #98

Too bad Epstein was not jailed in an ICE facility. gordianot Aug 2019 #3

Some Facts ashredux Aug 2019 #4

What I've wondered duforsure Aug 2019 #10

Makes one say.."Hmmm." ashredux Aug 2019 #13

The answer is 2naSalit Aug 2019 #14

7. Dead men tell no tales njhoneybadger Aug 2019 #29

The attorneys are culpable whether it's murder or suicide. no_hypocrisy Aug 2019 #5

No they aren't. former9thward Aug 2019 #9

Exactly. Jail has to follow its own rules, not what defense lawyers request. LisaL Aug 2019 #12

Nonsense jberryhill Aug 2019 #22

No, it's not normal what happened here. LisaL Aug 2019 #100

No, they're not StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #11

Yep. DU has the memory of a housefly jberryhill Aug 2019 #19

This StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #21

What's shocking about threads like this jberryhill Aug 2019 #27

Shocking but not surprising, based on other things I've seen here. StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #49

+1 Blue_Tires Aug 2019 #36

And did his defense lawyer also asked to remove his cellmate, and not check on him every LisaL Aug 2019 #6

If true, that would be ridiculously irresponsible FBaggins Aug 2019 #7

Oh really? jberryhill Aug 2019 #17

IIRC... that was both after and before FBaggins Aug 2019 #18

No, you don't recall correctly jberryhill Aug 2019 #20

"Last week, Chelsea made a decision to end her life," FBaggins Aug 2019 #48

It's not likely that he was taken off of suicide watch just because he and his lawyers asked StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #50

Nice try: "Manning lawyer: Suicide joke led to stripping". You are conflating different events jberryhill Aug 2019 #56

A well done hit ashredux Aug 2019 #8

So the lawyers are enabler, co-conspirators? Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #15

You left out one... jberryhill Aug 2019 #43

Oh, hell yes it could happen. Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #47

Where was the two-timing mall lawyer operating? StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #53

He may have been an independent attorney. Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #61

But getting back to the point jberryhill Aug 2019 #78

Just heard on tv that his lawyers are Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #81

Well, yeah... jberryhill Aug 2019 #83

Oh, okay, so.... jberryhill Aug 2019 #65

If you knew that your client tried to commit suicide, isn't it Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #93

It's not an easy question jberryhill Aug 2019 #94

Thank you. Very informative. Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #95

Since when does a fed prison under DOJ rules listen to a defense attorney? Claritie Pixie Aug 2019 #16

Pretty much every day jberryhill Aug 2019 #23

Defense lawyers shouldn't be able to request that Beringia Aug 2019 #24

Bullshit jberryhill Aug 2019 #25

Keeping Epstein on suicide watch was a no-brainer Ponietz Aug 2019 #38

You can laugh all you want jberryhill Aug 2019 #40

I read the post to indicate that the authority for the change had to come from admin Ponietz Aug 2019 #46

This is the problem with making assumptions without information or knowledge StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #54

25 years honorable service practicing criminal defense Ponietz Aug 2019 #58

Given your background in criminal defense, it's surprising you're so dismissive of the StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #60

Know better than stating continued suicide watch was a no-brainer? Ponietz Aug 2019 #63

So, let's be clear jberryhill Aug 2019 #67

Read the title of the OP--"Jailers claim..." Ponietz Aug 2019 #74

The Eighth Amendment addresses pre-trial detention jberryhill Aug 2019 #77

I want to know who approved it without even a Motion being filed Ponietz Aug 2019 #86

Okay, so... jberryhill Aug 2019 #87

You know the point--keeping him on suicide watch was a no-brainer Ponietz Aug 2019 #88

Then why were his lawyers trying to GET HIM OUT OF JAIL ENTIRELY? jberryhill Aug 2019 #89

You seem shocked in your own way Ponietz Aug 2019 #92

The "Sky is green" folk also think the Barr DOJ should be given some benefit of the doubt uponit7771 Aug 2019 #111

Yep, and have logorrhea, besides Ponietz Aug 2019 #115

I can't imagine how they had a medical justification for taking a patient off suicide watch pnwmom Aug 2019 #68

Obviously, the facility is not run according to your imagination jberryhill Aug 2019 #69

It wouldn't have cost them any time or resources pnwmom Aug 2019 #71

Well, excuse me, but facility wasn't even run according to their own protocol. LisaL Aug 2019 #99

Yeah and? jberryhill Aug 2019 #101

Defense attorneys can not do that Iliyah Aug 2019 #28

That's just not true jberryhill Aug 2019 #32

And the DOJ knew . . Iliyah Aug 2019 #33

Huh? jberryhill Aug 2019 #35

Exactly, I suspect the warden approved it Ponietz Aug 2019 #34

What? You seem to be saying Barr personally controls conditions of confinement. No. Shrike47 Aug 2019 #42

What's really stupid about this shit... jberryhill Aug 2019 #44

You're right, Barr has no influence at all :rolleyes: uponit7771 Aug 2019 #112

Is it possible that Epstein paid a 42bambi Aug 2019 #31

Yep, and he got lucky on the first try! jberryhill Aug 2019 #73

Something tells me the prison admin and guards didn't see Epstein as a means to take Hoyt Aug 2019 #37

Are you kidding? jberryhill Aug 2019 #41

As much as it may pain me to say it, listen to Berryhill. What the lawyers did was normal. Shrike47 Aug 2019 #45

Heard an NPR report this morning- prisoners often request to go back to underpants Aug 2019 #52

Bottom line is the guards might as well have left Epstein alone in a room with a loaded pistol, pnwmom Aug 2019 #62

I see where Epstein's civil attorneys are lawyering up. Interesting. Sneederbunk Aug 2019 #59

I still wonder who with access to this guy had a large deposit in their accounts afterwards. redstatebluegirl Aug 2019 #64

A prisoner is allowed to remove himself from suicide watch? lame54 Aug 2019 #66

A prisoner is allowed to have legal representatives seek modification of their detention conditions jberryhill Aug 2019 #70

Hanged himself with PAPER sheets? Bullshit! ElementaryPenguin Aug 2019 #72

Surely you've all heard the "Epstein is alive" theory? mainer Aug 2019 #75

I think Maddow reported last night DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #76

Yes, they would want separate lawyers to review... jberryhill Aug 2019 #79

But would you need criminal defense lawyers to defend against a potential malpractice claim? pnwmom Aug 2019 #80

Sigh... jberryhill Aug 2019 #82

I agree. So why would they need a criminal lawyer, the kind of lawyer they are said to have hired, pnwmom Aug 2019 #84

I literally just answered that question jberryhill Aug 2019 #85

Or maybe they are protecting themselves from criminal exposure not related to his death. pnwmom Aug 2019 #90

Yes, Twitter is full of theories jberryhill Aug 2019 #91

So is DU. But the lawyers I follow on Twitter, like Laurence Tribe, pnwmom Aug 2019 #97

I don't understand your comment jberryhill Aug 2019 #102

Why are you taking this personally? You denigrated lawyers on Twitter pnwmom Aug 2019 #103

And I'm asking you a simple question jberryhill Aug 2019 #105

That they're not the anonymous "legal experts" you implied that they were. (Post 91.) pnwmom Aug 2019 #106

Who said anything about being anonymous? jberryhill Aug 2019 #107

You didn't name a single "legal expert" aside from Avenatti. But you said they were "all wrong" pnwmom Aug 2019 #108

"They" being the ones you kept citing in that discussion jberryhill Aug 2019 #109

Yeah, right. nt pnwmom Aug 2019 #110

Yeah indeed jberryhill Aug 2019 #113

Yes, you are always right. pnwmom Aug 2019 #114

Thanks again jberryhill Aug 2019 #116

As I said, you are always right. Righty right right. pnwmom Aug 2019 #117

Actually the price of tea in China is much higher than it needs to be, but that is because of the still_one Aug 2019 #104