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PandoraAwakened

(905 posts)
104. Fascinating how the propaganda wheel turns
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 10:56 PM
Aug 2019
"Epstein was suicidal." Please cite the clinician issuing this supposed edict.

"He had tried before." And yet, most stories on the incident from a few weeks earlier do note that Epstein himself repeatedly insisted he had been beaten up and that the finger marks around his neck were not his own. (BTW, hasn't science proven that it's actually impossible to choke oneself with your own hands? Has anyone here ever tried this trick themselves? Just curious.)

"He probably acted all normal and calm so he could be taken off suicide watch." Wasn't he taken off suicide watch because he was quite vociferously insisting that he had been attacked, and someone who actually understands how physiology works agreed that he couldn't have choked himself to near death?

So, I guess, in an odd and perverted way, the original post is correct, just not in the way the writer thought (exactly opposite, in fact), in that "sometimes things are just as they appear."
Occam's Razor. Codeine Aug 2019 #1
Right elleng Aug 2019 #3
What? There was a razor!!!!!11! Yonnie3 Aug 2019 #6
Damn you and your logic - sounds like we might have a college boy over here. Shaddox Aug 2019 #9
I wish! Codeine Aug 2019 #12
Freud: "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." SharonAnn Aug 2019 #13
+1000! The DU is crazy at times! nt USALiberal Aug 2019 #72
IMO this seems to be a reverse Occam's razor. It's too convenient... brush Aug 2019 #96
His suicide does seem a trifle premature. Ligyron Aug 2019 #112
What an absurd and bizarre theory! jberryhill Aug 2019 #2
Not the only one...nt emmaverybo Aug 2019 #4
I bet I am not the only one washing socks today. n/t rzemanfl Aug 2019 #7
I'm not. But my wife is. Lochloosa Aug 2019 #16
I have done two loads of socks just today! ChubbyStar Aug 2019 #23
Can someone explain the "washing socks" reference Codeine Aug 2019 #27
I believe it just refers to finding some mundane thing to do to avoid the news for whatever reason mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #36
Ohhhhhhh. Codeine Aug 2019 #38
Not my experience with you my friend (nt) mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #44
I got that in response to my mentioning how much I miss my parents since they are both gone. emmaverybo Aug 2019 #43
For reals? That sucks! ((hug)) nt mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #45
Oh my gosh. Thanks for that hug! emmaverybo Aug 2019 #46
((((hug)))) ((((hug)))) ((((hug)))) ((((hug)))) ((((hug)))) ((((hug)))) mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #50
You make it better, emmaverybo Aug 2019 #57
Glad to be of service. May all your remaining loved ones have the same good fortune :) (nt) mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #64
I miss my parents too. Very much. cwydro Aug 2019 #65
Oh, so sorry. I saw both my parents live with that. It helps somehow to know that others do know emmaverybo Aug 2019 #69
I think it means something else. cwydro Aug 2019 #49
Like I said ... that's what I assumed, not what I KNOW :) mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #51
I'll pm you. I don't want to cast aspersions lol. cwydro Aug 2019 #53
Could also mean cleaning up after a hookup. Is that what you didn't want to cast asparagus about?nt zackymilly Aug 2019 #110
Rinse. Recycle. Reuse. Repeat. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #59
You're not the only one CatMor Aug 2019 #5
Yup. FiveGoodMen Aug 2019 #81
I agree. Tipperary Aug 2019 #8
You can't fool me, lol. BootinUp Aug 2019 #10
murdered, period Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #11
Ooh be careful, Eliot. You're going to make some people clutch their pearls and throw themselves Cousin Dupree Aug 2019 #20
We NEVER seem to learn, do we Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #32
Hope your NEVER on a real jury! nt USALiberal Aug 2019 #74
Not likely Pacifist Patriot Aug 2019 #93
I'm with you Mike 03 Aug 2019 #14
Because he's a narcissist who thought he could buy his way out of it? BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #30
He bought his way out the first time. TwilightZone Aug 2019 #34
Maybe, but these guys often think they can get through anything. BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #55
His fortunes were turning against him Mike 03 Aug 2019 #37
Narcissists also can't stand being destroyed StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #76
No, narcissists never accept the proposition that they've even been destroyed PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #99
There is NO way he killed himself for a variety of reasons especially the narcissist Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #109
The ones who believe it was just an unassisted suicide are either... brush Aug 2019 #114
Russian Embassy openly supports Gabbard and yet she has some fans here, SIGH Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #115
Yeah, they say it's just another conspiracy theory even though... brush Aug 2019 #117
Doesn't fit kurtcagle Aug 2019 #85
I believe most of the suspicion... Pacifist Patriot Aug 2019 #90
Whether he did it himself or not - he should have been on suicide precautions. harumph Aug 2019 #15
Agree! Mike 03 Aug 2019 #19
Uh-huh, and Trump & Barr are good guys who didn't have anything to do with Epstein... polichick Aug 2019 #17
Yep. Tried to kill himself once, things looking worse, stopbush Aug 2019 #18
No GeorgeGist Aug 2019 #21
Well, maybe so, but if so, they may well have LIHOP. gristy Aug 2019 #22
Of course that may be the truth. But there is every reason to be suspicious, given he'd been on hlthe2b Aug 2019 #24
+1, it's irrational to take the Trump administration at face value uponit7771 Aug 2019 #42
One thing we might be seeing on DU Mike 03 Aug 2019 #25
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2019 #63
I'm skeptical. nt barbtries Aug 2019 #26
This Was a Very Convenient Suicide dlk Aug 2019 #28
Dunno. Igel Aug 2019 #39
If you block your wife on your phone jberryhill Aug 2019 #77
This was a Convenient Suicide for Those Who Utilized Epstein's "Services" dlk Aug 2019 #79
+1, uponit7771 Aug 2019 #41
Many examples of prisoners killing themselves. nt USALiberal Aug 2019 #89
Maybe he faked his death torius Aug 2019 #29
Maybe he is with that Enron dude lunasun Aug 2019 #52
Things are just as they are. Appearance is the illusion of observational perspective. WheelWalker Aug 2019 #31
I read a while ago Epstein was severly depressed. Not unusual to be suicidal and riversedge Aug 2019 #33
What is perfectly clear to me as things appear randr Aug 2019 #35
If you ignore the obvious yes uponit7771 Aug 2019 #40
obvious what? AncientGeezer Aug 2019 #48
That bar and Trump are running the government uponit7771 Aug 2019 #54
Well yeah..1 is potus the other is ag.... AncientGeezer Aug 2019 #58
Bookmarked uponit7771 Aug 2019 #60
How dare you.....be reasonable...unacceptable. AncientGeezer Aug 2019 #47
No, you are not the only one. GoCubsGo Aug 2019 #56
Always or are there ever exceptions? BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #61
No. Sometimes. A weed in the flower bed is just as it appears but an egg in the unicorn nest IADEMO2004 Aug 2019 #62
I agree. AJT Aug 2019 #66
But then people wouldn't have so much fun pretending life was like their favorite TV show or movie! PSPS Aug 2019 #67
I hadn't thought of the alien angle jberryhill Aug 2019 #78
The next thing you know, we'll start seeing things like this PSPS Aug 2019 #80
"Usual end to a child molester's life is suicide." Is it? PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #97
Many personality disorders are overlapping and often do not exist in isolation. People out of emmaverybo Aug 2019 #107
Overlapping disorders does not change the physiological science PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #118
Rather not argue with you about PDs. I will say that although diagnostically they provide a emmaverybo Aug 2019 #119
Definitely not arguing with you. I will say, however, PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #120
Oh for goodness sake. Attitude. I taught college English. I know what an oxymoron is. Just never emmaverybo Aug 2019 #121
Oh, good grief. I'm not sure which is worse... PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #123
Thanks. It has. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #124
That thinking is why people in prison are being released because of shraby Aug 2019 #68
Certainly not Sunsky Aug 2019 #70
You are 100% correct, but people LOVE a mystery, reality is boring! nt USALiberal Aug 2019 #71
Not these days! BadgerMom Aug 2019 #102
No, you're not StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #73
It appears like a lot of deals were made to keep him out of prison NightWatcher Aug 2019 #75
"Some times a cigar is just a cigar". -- Sigmund Freud n/t ColesCountyDem Aug 2019 #82
it is a possibly adequate explanation bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #83
Well, Bill Barr recently expressed his love of vigillante justice. Pathwalker Aug 2019 #84
No but I'd like details on how he did it underpants Aug 2019 #86
It is certainly one possibility. warmfeet Aug 2019 #87
I don't doubt that anyone in his position would be suicidal. But... Pacifist Patriot Aug 2019 #88
This. Exactly this. Boomer Aug 2019 #95
If he needed murdering, why in a highly controlled Hortensis Aug 2019 #91
Because killing him in the most highly.visible high profile way possible StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #101
Oh, of course. Duh! Hortensis Aug 2019 #108
It seems likely that things really are as they appear. TomSlick Aug 2019 #92
Nah ... lillypaddle Aug 2019 #94
I came across this though JonLP24 Aug 2019 #98
Call me crazy, but Crunchy Frog Aug 2019 #100
No, you are not the only one. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #103
Fascinating how the propaganda wheel turns PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #104
Am I the only one who thinks 24 hours isn't enough time to have a definitive opinion? meadowlander Aug 2019 #105
Agree. It's not hard at all to imagine him committing suicide. nolabear Aug 2019 #106
Two philosophies that pretty much cover it all... not_the_one Aug 2019 #111
Absoutely. Yet any suicide should be investigated while the individual was incarcerated. BeckyDem Aug 2019 #113
If he looks like a racist and acts like a racist, well... Joe941 Aug 2019 #116
My guess is he did this by his own hands LanternWaste Aug 2019 #122
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