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highplainsdem

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18. I think your subject line is misleading. Moore is trying to alert Dems to how important turnout

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Thu Aug 30, 2012, 02:47 PM

Aug 2012

will be, especially with the Republicans having so much more money.

It's very clear he's worried that Obama's base isn't excited enough this time. He's especially worried that young voters aren't excited enough.

But he is NOT making a definite prediction that Romney will win.

He's saying that without enough excitement, enough turnout, by Dem voters and activists, Romney will win.

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Michael Moore: Romney will win in November [View all] superpatriotman Aug 2012 OP

I very much hope you are right. PDJane Aug 2012 #1

Who do you hope is right? About what? pnwmom Aug 2012 #36

presumably about the American Idol type vote, in which Obama would win renate Aug 2012 #61

Sorry, he's right. Now that the PCW has left and I have a coffee, PDJane Aug 2012 #81

I respect Michael Moore get the red out Aug 2012 #2

I agree completely. bamacrat Aug 2012 #4

Yup defeatism helps none of us. Jennicut Aug 2012 #5

Money Is No Guarantee Of Victory Vogon_Glory Aug 2012 #8

but massive election fraud could very well be. Cal33 Aug 2012 #88

Possibly BUT Vogon_Glory Aug 2012 #102

Hes not afraid of Rmoney... superpatriotman Aug 2012 #10

They need money to help pay for GOTV. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #38

There has already been a GOTV trial run for November milwaukeelib33 Aug 2012 #41

Romney will need solutions for the debates get the red out Aug 2012 #74

oh, please, he didn't say that, if he gave tips on how to improve voter turnout JI7 Aug 2012 #104

Because, as he points out, THEY are organized, committed, and have the enthusiasm. gateley Aug 2012 #27

And they have a handful of billionaires PatSeg Aug 2012 #57

+1000 gateley Aug 2012 #59

Interesting Story About Money Vogon_Glory Aug 2012 #103

I'm sure Obama will get the popular vote, hands down. Cleita Aug 2012 #26

We're talking about a political movement that holds George Carlin up as a sort of idol Scootaloo Aug 2012 #62

"Romney is going to raise more money than Barack Obama. That should guarantee his victory" ProSense Aug 2012 #3

Or Linda McMahon sharp_stick Aug 2012 #7

it may well buy it for her this time cali Aug 2012 #24

That was one poll by Ras sharp_stick Aug 2012 #39

wrong. a new quinnipiac poll has it tied. cali Aug 2012 #77

She's still not gonna win n/t sharp_stick Aug 2012 #91

god can you imagine if she wins maryellen99 Aug 2012 #58

Obamas gonna wipe the floor with Romney Ryan. Skink Aug 2012 #6

Please be right rbrnmw Aug 2012 #11

I need a stiff drink with some herbs and spices rbrnmw Aug 2012 #9

Once more Michael Moore is talking out of his ass. Archae Aug 2012 #12

Your faith in the public is inspiring superpatriotman Aug 2012 #15

"Half fictional"?? What are you talking about? Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2012 #84

People do not get sued for slander for lying. former9thward Aug 2012 #115

truth is an absolute defense to slander. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2012 #118

I have never heard of South Texas College of Law. former9thward Sep 2012 #119

Thanks a lot. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2012 #120

I didn't learn about legal concepts from Wiki former9thward Sep 2012 #121

+1. And sadly, he's not the only one. Lots of "liberals" make more $$$ with a Repuke in the WH. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #95

once more Archae talks shit about a real liberal fascisthunter Aug 2012 #110

OH MIKE!!! PLEASE you have been stuffing your fat face so much it's effecting your brain bigdarryl Aug 2012 #13

Very classy post. Nice way to attack an ally . Puglover Aug 2012 #42

WTF does MM's weight have to do with anything? Webster Green Aug 2012 #47

Where did you study biology to come up with a conclusion like that? CBGLuthier Aug 2012 #72

If I stuff my face I can effect my brain? klook Aug 2012 #87

stupid fascisthunter Aug 2012 #109

Moore is usually correct, but like a stopped clock (reversed), closeupready Aug 2012 #14

He's part of the media....the closer the race is and the more we have fear, the more relevant he cbdo2007 Aug 2012 #16

Wow, that was really stupid. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2012 #17

He's just trying to scare people into taking the possibility seriously. mattclearing Aug 2012 #94

I think your subject line is misleading. Moore is trying to alert Dems to how important turnout highplainsdem Aug 2012 #18

+1. Watch the vid -- the headline (I think it was HuffPo's) doesn't tell the whole story. gateley Aug 2012 #21

Thanks! I had watched Moore, but hadn't noticed the OP had used HuffPo's headline. highplainsdem Aug 2012 #25

You're correct, but ScarlettOhara Aug 2012 #23

I didn't get that sense at all, but rather that they have the incentive (defeat Obama) whereas gateley Aug 2012 #33

"Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." ScarlettOhara Aug 2012 #48

Perfect quote, ScarlettOhara! gateley Aug 2012 #51

more than that... it's purely deliberate divisive garbage fascisthunter Aug 2012 #111

MM presented some excellent points. We don't have the fire in our belly that we gateley Aug 2012 #19

agree Gately, people aren't worried, aren't always registered flamingdem Aug 2012 #20

And often aren't aware of the new voter ID laws. highplainsdem Aug 2012 #31

I am very worried about the news on Election Day flamingdem Aug 2012 #45

+1,000 freshwest Aug 2012 #29

I think it's because we were defeated by their cheating machine so many Cleita Aug 2012 #44

I don't think it's hopeless, but it is discouraging. As MM said, we need to GOTV -- that's gateley Aug 2012 #49

I hope people in critical states do. Cleita Aug 2012 #52

non presidential years are usually the ones when house & senate flip SoCalDem Aug 2012 #97

Great post, SoCalDem! Thank you! gateley Aug 2012 #99

over the years, the more i listen to moore, the less i respect him. this is just another shove seabeyond Aug 2012 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Aug 2012 #28

People!!! It's the electoral votes that they are rigging! Cleita Aug 2012 #30

+1000 - why do some of us refuse to face reality? gateley Aug 2012 #34

^^^This. nt laundry_queen Aug 2012 #86

I've seen Chomsky predict election results based on the money, and he's been right ever time 1-Old-Man Aug 2012 #32

Just remember, ParkieDem Aug 2012 #43

Could be 1-Old-Man Aug 2012 #78

He isn't going to WIN the election liberal N proud Aug 2012 #35

Yes, but he will be sworn into office like Chimpy Bush and we all lose. n/t Cleita Aug 2012 #37

I expect unexpected flips in key states like OH & FL. CrispyQ Aug 2012 #73

Just like 00 and 04, they have the right offices under their control liberal N proud Aug 2012 #107

Defeatist - another negative person trying to get us down treestar Aug 2012 #40

I disagree, treestar. He's not telling people to give up, he's gateley Aug 2012 #46

well Robbins Aug 2012 #50

+ 10,0000 Cleita Aug 2012 #55

This list is why I have such a hard time being friends with any repubs. CrispyQ Aug 2012 #117

It looks like a plan, doesn't it? ScarlettOhara Aug 2012 #53

a rather misleading headline given what Moore actually says in the video fishwax Aug 2012 #54

Not framed well, imo. IL Lib Aug 2012 #67

I don't know -- it's hard to tell exactly how he framed it because of the editing, but fishwax Aug 2012 #70

Thanks for the welcome! IL Lib Aug 2012 #85

That's a thought: This is so FUCKED-UP it means one thing. The. Deal. Is. Done. patrice Aug 2012 #56

Like MM says, the deal isn't done if we get out and vote. I'm thinking gateley Aug 2012 #66

I agree. There are legal efforts afoot for the vote but right now the BEST response is turnout. patrice Aug 2012 #80

Jummah at the Dnc korak Aug 2012 #60

Riiighht. And, Bambi's going to whup Godzilla in the rematch. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #63

I fear Romney is no Bambi, nor is Obama Godzilla. I envy you your confidence that there is no cause gateley Aug 2012 #71

This shows no special insight on Moore's part...we already KNOW the Koch boys could buy this one. Amerigo Vespucci Aug 2012 #64

If WE fight for this, Obama will win. gateley Aug 2012 #75

Yes, "we" was implied in my post, but I'll spell it out here Amerigo Vespucci Aug 2012 #82

I think MM is trying to send a message to Democrats - that this could happen - so get out and jillan Aug 2012 #65

+1000 gateley Aug 2012 #69

Of COURSE that is what he is trying to do. Puglover Aug 2012 #76

We don't need this right now, especially not from Michael Moore. He is depressing turnout Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2012 #68

I totally disagree. If you watch the video, he's saying IF we get out and vote, we'll gateley Aug 2012 #89

I hope not. A few months ago he was vowing not to vote because he's angry at Obama not Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2012 #92

I think a lot of people vowed to not vote for Obama (many here on DU!) out gateley Aug 2012 #96

I agree with you 100% here. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2012 #100

President Obama and Senator Kerry have the same DNA politicasista Aug 2012 #116

My guess is that Michael Moore is saying this to piss off progressives... LynneSin Aug 2012 #79

and this is just one of a few times when I have to say that Michael Moore is rachel1 Aug 2012 #83

Watch the vid if you haven't -- the headline is misleading. gateley Aug 2012 #90

nor would anyone have convinced me that Al Gore would lose To Dubya rbrnmw Aug 2012 #98

Fuck the UAW. Who can get excited about a president whose chief of staff says crap like this and byeya Aug 2012 #93

Pres. Obama is not responsible for your level of excitement. The issues should be enough. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #101

IIRC, Moore said Kerry would win in 2004,and by a large majority. Incitatus Aug 2012 #105

Thanks a lot, Michael. mia Aug 2012 #106

Um.. please be more honest about what he actually said! fascisthunter Aug 2012 #108

to be fair to superpatriotman, the headline is huffpo's fishwax Aug 2012 #112

it was deliberate... fascisthunter Aug 2012 #113

That's not what's gonna happen," he told Zepps. Fucked up Op and headline. Ellipsis Aug 2012 #114