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117. No evidence covers that, but why get in the way of another conspiracy

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Fri Jul 26, 2019, 09:49 PM

Jul 2019

that does not matter unless we let Ruskies or anyone else mess with votes or anything else?

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Oh, that Russia rigged the election thing? It's EVEN WORSE than you thought [View all] Baltimike Jul 2019 OP

Thanks for posting JonLP24 Jul 2019 #1

Get thee to the greatest page malaise Jul 2019 #2

Malaise..the OP needs to be either taken down or rewritten..I am reading the report..nowhere does it asiliveandbreathe Jul 2019 #14

I see your point malaise Jul 2019 #20

I'm with you on this. See below for link to actual report - not that long, worth our own read. MFGsunny Jul 2019 #28

Tks MFGsunny..been reading..am totally beside myself with this incorrect information.. asiliveandbreathe Jul 2019 #29

I stand by my OP...Russia RIGGED this...truth will out Baltimike Jul 2019 #94

Russia did not have sex with the US electoral systems !! Come on, they did everything and that uponit7771 Jul 2019 #49

For now...we just don't know...for someone to say votes were changed without asiliveandbreathe Jul 2019 #54

NOPE. For someone to connect the dots is absolutely patriotic Baltimike Jul 2019 #60

With you on this point totally. triron Jul 2019 #62

I wish I could help you - I tried....why are you swearing and yelling... asiliveandbreathe Jul 2019 #63

I realize your post was not addressed to me but why do you believe what you said? triron Jul 2019 #65

What are you referring to??? asiliveandbreathe Jul 2019 #66

and I wish you could realize that I don't need your fucking help Baltimike Jul 2019 #95

I'm with you. Need more people like you in congress. triron Jul 2019 #96

Thank you... Baltimike Jul 2019 #103

I absolutely believe they switched votes crimycarny Jul 2019 #106

The Princeton Election Consortium gave HRC a 99+% chance of winning. triron Jul 2019 #107

exactly...drip, drip, drip...they did this that and the other Baltimike Jul 2019 #108

plus one questionseverything Jul 2019 #70

Again, you're asking for proof that Russia changed votes when everything less than that can still... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #67

How about Georgia- 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #72

You don't know what it says since it's so heavily redacted. triron Jul 2019 #50

Wow...I do not know if votes were changed..I read the report..redacted yup.. asiliveandbreathe Jul 2019 #52

It goes both ways. We can't assume votes weren't changed and there is circumstantial evidence that triron Jul 2019 #59

I will await the breaking news bulletin...votes were changed - until then - I am not in the camp asiliveandbreathe Jul 2019 #64

Awesome that you will at least wait instead of maintain it didn't happen Baltimike Jul 2019 #104

That's for helping the Russians accomplish thier mission. UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #134

2nd that. triron Jul 2019 #138

Is it something I said, as many here have expressed - sad to come back 'round asiliveandbreathe Jul 2019 #142

Perhaps we're being overdramatic. The facts likely won't appear because we are not allowed to know. triron Jul 2019 #143

Another quote from most honorable son. something is true "if and only if" something else was true asiliveandbreathe Jul 2019 #144

In logic, 'if and only if' mean equivalent. triron Jul 2019 #145

Also if you have a implies b and a is true then b is true. However if you only have b is true, a is triron Jul 2019 #146

See post #11 too...n/t asiliveandbreathe Jul 2019 #18

BINGO! cmeneer Jul 2019 #3

welcome to DU. Baltimike Jul 2019 #5

My question is why. Cracklin Charlie Jul 2019 #27

well...jeeze... stillcool Jul 2019 #4

I bet they did destroy evidence Baltimike Jul 2019 #6

No longer anything like a surprise. Wouldn't it be Hortensis Jul 2019 #7

I may have 17 pages to go in Volumn 1 of this Senate report..so I will just say this asiliveandbreathe Jul 2019 #8

Watched a video of a Wellstone ruled Jul 2019 #9

I believe it. They only needed to flip a handful of votes from HRC Ilsa Jul 2019 #10

+1. There is a reason European countries don't allow electronic voting dalton99a Jul 2019 #19

actually, probably not from HRC to dipshit, but more likely to Stein anarch Jul 2019 #76

Then more flipping would be required. nt Ilsa Jul 2019 #77

Probably a combination of strategies were used. triron Jul 2019 #147

Fewer precincts than that: Think Detroit, Philly, Milwaukee. Funtatlaguy Jul 2019 #151

Probably where the majority of damage was done. triron Jul 2019 #153

The Russians had the polling data and they understood the vulnerabilities, thus they struck where triron Jul 2019 #154

Sigh... Dennis Donovan Jul 2019 #11

YAWN... Baltimike Jul 2019 #21

This is a bigger Russian goal to make Americans question the results and lose faith. UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #23

Don't trust the electoral systems or free press! Dennis Donovan Jul 2019 #24

connect the dots and fight back against PROPAGANDA Baltimike Jul 2019 #33

you mean like when you misrepresent the article you linked to? stopdiggin Jul 2019 #42

I agree bdamomma Jul 2019 #141

If you are paying attention, it's already dubious. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #73

The article says they didn't find any evidence of switched votes. n/t femmedem Jul 2019 #12

I'm seeing a pattern... Dennis Donovan Jul 2019 #16

drip, drip, drip. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #17

. Dennis Donovan Jul 2019 #25

! Baltimike Jul 2019 #56

The president knew it was rigged: dalton99a Jul 2019 #13

Voting logs..software..pgms and ballots are proprietarymaterials of Rene Jul 2019 #15

wow. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #22

Please correct your OP to anything but incorrect information.. asiliveandbreathe Jul 2019 #26

Exactly! Dennis Donovan Jul 2019 #30

Your artice disputes your claim AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #31

Here Mike - The Senate Report..I strongly wish you would read it.. asiliveandbreathe Jul 2019 #32

Thank you for your voice of sanity! Dennis Donovan Jul 2019 #34

Nice try there...no dice... Baltimike Jul 2019 #39

show me where it says stopdiggin Jul 2019 #43

Sad... asiliveandbreathe Jul 2019 #47

Preaching to the choir. I knew this from day 1. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #35

it's unreal how the gaslighting happens here. (sometimes) nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #57

I agree. People want it both ways too. Trolls gotta troll. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #71

Illegitimate through and through sandensea Jul 2019 #36

KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Jul 2019 #37

From a quick scan, Republicans are passing the buck to the states. KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2019 #38

The Russians messed with everything and they had help. A open door rockfordfile Jul 2019 #40

I'm retire from the computer industry. I have been saying since 2000 Bush v Gore that... usaf-vet Jul 2019 #41

Of course they are. Farmer-Rick Jul 2019 #44

Here is the start of voter suppression. Pass this on. usaf-vet Jul 2019 #46

Thank you for this eye-opening and educational post. triron Jul 2019 #51

So, where were the vote changers in 2008 and 2012, and 2018? Hoyt Jul 2019 #55

We are not talking about those elections. No one has investigated them except in North Carolina in triron Jul 2019 #61

They don't have to "change" votes to alter elections numerically. Basically if its close in a state uponit7771 Jul 2019 #69

Well in Wisconsin they were "stealing" state elections. Gerrymandering. Stacking State Supreme Court usaf-vet Jul 2019 #83

Never denied gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc. And no question Hoyt Jul 2019 #84

Exactly a LONG RANGE PLAN! Make small changes and reap the benefits in future elections. usaf-vet Jul 2019 #85

worthy of its own thread Skittles Jul 2019 #74

Agree my brother thought this at the time too. Meowmee Jul 2019 #75

Nah, they just broke into systems, looked at data and just left it. That's what we're being ... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #45

Except that not even that is well established FBaggins Jul 2019 #80

This, I'd like to know specifics on what was attempted and what was successful Amishman Jul 2019 #87

There was penetration into multiple levels of registration systems in 16 and 18. The stretch in ... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #91

Florida 2018, they did break into systems uponit7771 Jul 2019 #88

Reportedly in two counties FBaggins Jul 2019 #89

The stretch is to believe NOTHING was altered not vice versa and "changing" something isn't the uponit7771 Jul 2019 #90

That's all they had to do to get people to mistrust and boy is it working. nt UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #135

I'm not naming names, but Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #48

Interesting if true. There are a lot of left wing Hillary haters out there though. triron Jul 2019 #53

"IF" true?? Check out twitter -- They're impossible to miss Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #92

Somebody is avoiding main conclusion -- No evidence of 2016 vote changes or manipulation. Hoyt Jul 2019 #58

No votes changed doesn't mean Russian didn't numerically alter the 2016 election. We've been over uponit7771 Jul 2019 #68

It's appropriate given the context of the thread FBaggins Jul 2019 #78

Exactly. Hoyt Jul 2019 #81

somebody is ignoring the FACT that they never looked at the voting machines Baltimike Jul 2019 #113

No evidence covers that, but why get in the way of another conspiracy Hoyt Jul 2019 #117

PLENTY of evidence "covers that", it has been avoided Baltimike Jul 2019 #119

We need paper ballots and we need full counts, everywhere, everytime. lindysalsagal Jul 2019 #79

That's likely not going to happen, unfortunately. GoCubsGo Jul 2019 #82

Wrong. The report said the exact OPPOSITE... brooklynite Jul 2019 #86

WRONG. The report did not examine the voting equipment Baltimike Jul 2019 #93

Senator Wyden expressed his doubts about the reports supposed conclusion in his minority view. triron Jul 2019 #97

all day long...this. You are spot on. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #102

Do you have a page citation for that? I see where Wyden, rightly discusses his concerns about Hoyt Jul 2019 #120

Maybe it's all in your (or my) interpretation of what he said. triron Jul 2019 #121

Yes, and he did not say what the poster above said. Wyden did say that it should not be left to Hoyt Jul 2019 #123

Not in so many words maybe but it was implied in much of his response. triron Jul 2019 #125

There's this: "[In 2016, Russians] might have been cataloging options 'for use at a later date'..." VOX Jul 2019 #98

I think the statement below is wrong. They did execute those options. But no one will say so. triron Jul 2019 #100

Agreed. That, and a probable dry-run for 2020. VOX Jul 2019 #139

I suspect it was even easier jmowreader Jul 2019 #99

They were clever enough to cover their tracks. triron Jul 2019 #101

kick for visibility triron Jul 2019 #105

knr triron Jul 2019 #109

The Russians hacked into elections computers. This is proven. They'll do it again. yardwork Jul 2019 #110

it's crazy how peopletry to gaslight you into thinking it didn't happen Baltimike Jul 2019 #111

There is absolute proof. It happened in my town in NC yardwork Jul 2019 #112

It happened in your twon? Tell me more...nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #114

I believe N. C. is one of the states where vote counts were altered but maybe not enough triron Jul 2019 #115

Nobody disputes that Russia hacked Voting Database computers... brooklynite Jul 2019 #122

+1. It's not exactly rocket science: dalton99a Jul 2019 #116

Thank you. triron Jul 2019 #118

thank you indeed. I hadn't seen this nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #126

Please post some of the article. I cannot open it. triron Jul 2019 #127

knr triron Jul 2019 #128

Please keep this one on the burner. triron Jul 2019 #124

kick again triron Jul 2019 #129

kick again triron Jul 2019 #130

kick again triron Jul 2019 #131

you are my hero! Because this really is soooo important. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #132

Thanks but I'm doing it for exactly that reason. triron Jul 2019 #133

Delete this fear mongering OP comrade. nt UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #136

No. Baltimike Jul 2019 #137

This is a joke right? triron Jul 2019 #140

It's crazy, right? nt Baltimike Aug 2019 #165

kick for visibility triron Jul 2019 #148

Again. triron Jul 2019 #149

Kick ck4829 Jul 2019 #150

Can you show where that article says they switched votes, or didn't count certain votes? It doesn't. Hoyt Jul 2019 #152

Of course not. We are not allowed to know. eos. triron Jul 2019 #155

Seen enough conspiracies in my life that weren't supported. This is another one. Admittedly, it Hoyt Jul 2019 #156

If it's classified Democratic (or otherwise) senators won't say it openly. Geesh. triron Jul 2019 #157

Starting to believe too many Americans don't even care. Trying to bury their heads in the sand. triron Aug 2019 #158

Giving in to that achieves Russia's goal Baltimike Aug 2019 #159

Gettin it back. triron Aug 2019 #160

thank you nt Baltimike Aug 2019 #161

Hey y'all remember this? triron Aug 2019 #162

the chaos and slow walking of the largest attack on America in our history is stunning. nt Baltimike Aug 2019 #163

knr triron Aug 2019 #164

Jimmy Carter said as much. triron Aug 2019 #166

the drip, drip, drip continues bc the Russian efforts have not stopped. nt Baltimike Aug 2019 #167

But Barr & friends sure have put a damper on the indictments. triron Aug 2019 #168

they're slow walking Justice Baltimike Aug 2019 #169

They're tripping and putting obstacles in the way. triron Aug 2019 #170