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27. Facts work

Reply to Drunken Irishman (Reply #22)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 09:00 PM

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The NY Times is wrong and here is why: elections don't happen in a vacuum. [View all] Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 OP

Thank you. blue neen Jul 2019 #1

Me, too. BadgerMom Jul 2019 #12

Agreed. blue neen Jul 2019 #18

In other words, some states are smarter than others... pbmus Jul 2019 #2

Third party candidates wins bigger share of the vote in 2016 spooky3 Jul 2019 #3

Yup. That was one of the big deciding factors... Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #4

Oh how you nailed the change agent. Wellstone ruled Jul 2019 #9

It was very evident... Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #10

My contacts in Utah were talking Wellstone ruled Jul 2019 #19

I wonder how Obama would have performed had FBI director declared investigation a week before electi AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #5

Probably would have been dinged pretty badly. Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #6

That was the biggest ace that kacekwl Jul 2019 #16

Nationally, Hillary only had 70K fewer votes than Obama in 2012. The key difference: pnwmom Jul 2019 #7

This is why I looked at percentage... Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #13

The other unmentioned factor is that black turnout declined from 66% to 60% in 2016 -- pnwmom Jul 2019 #17

Voter suppression was real and we need to fight it... Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #23

Without voter suppression it wouldn't have been a close election. When, in history, pnwmom Jul 2019 #24

It would have been close. Why? Because it was close. Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #32

No. It was close in those states because the votes of black voters -- i.e., Democrats -- pnwmom Jul 2019 #34

The Russians helped get Donald Trump elected. End of story uponit7771 Jul 2019 #8

It's not end of story. Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #15

Well be losing again in 2020 if there is no recognition of the depth of penetration into our ... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #21

Good luck with that narrative. Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #22

Facts work uponit7771 Jul 2019 #27

You haven't provided any facts, tho... Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #30

Mueller report did & outlined the level & depth of penetration by Russians into our election systems uponit7771 Jul 2019 #37

You're acting as if 2018 didn't happen. trump lost the election he called a referendum on himself. brush Jul 2019 #33

At the Senate level in the South and Red States it did not, Georgia and Florida were hacked and the uponit7771 Jul 2019 #35

We're talking about trump not the senate. And voters are much more aware of Russian bots than... brush Jul 2019 #36

I'm talking about the KGOP cheating with the Russians and Trump allowing it. uponit7771 Jul 2019 #38

We can disagree. All those things are not going to fall into place again... brush Jul 2019 #39

Like Adam Schiff said (link) there's nothing stopping them from cheating again uponit7771 Jul 2019 #40

Why do you think I always mention the 77k votes in 3 states. brush Jul 2019 #41

" IMO 2016 was one-time thing that can't be duplicated. " .... There has to be some uponit7771 Jul 2019 #42

We'll see. Willing to wager $5 that trump loses? brush Jul 2019 #43

Depends on what happens beforehand if we expose him to maybe we win uponit7771 Jul 2019 #44

Russia , voter suppression & Democratic losing trend from 2010 forward delisen Jul 2019 #25

+1, 2010 really hurt uponit7771 Jul 2019 #28

Thanks for this analysis. yonder Jul 2019 #11

K&R! Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #14

Well written and I agree. padfun Jul 2019 #20

So what about the states Hillary did better in? dsc Jul 2019 #26

I think those are states trending in the Dems' direction... Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #31

2018 was a referendum against trump and he was beaten dicisively. Since then he has done nothing to. brush Jul 2019 #29