General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: I'm 64 and I never expected to say THIS, but... [View all]Caliman73
(11,726 posts)Both of the men who compare favorably with Trump BOTH of them, came to power by conspiring with hostile foreign nations and committing (at least in my view) treason. Nixon sabotaged the peace talks that Johnson had going on to end the Vietnam war. Nixon, through the Chennault Affair, got the South Vietnamese to pull away from the peace talks in 1968 with the promise of a "better deal" once he was elected. 5 more years of war, how many American soldiers and Vietnamese people died because of that. Johnson got word of it, but did not go to the FBI because he though it would have torn the country apart. That haunted him to his dying day.
Reagan similarly went behind the backs of the Carter Administration and told the Iranian government not to release the hostages in the US Embassy until after the election and promised to sell the regime weapons, which was illegal as Iran was already seen as a state sponsor of terrorism. So Reagan used Americans as pawns to win the presidency and started of his administration by breaking laws against selling weapons to foreign adversaries. Some of those very weapons were likely used to bomb the Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983.
They all "loved" the US, but only their image of what the US should be and they had their idea of who "real Americans" were too. They were not loyal to the people. They were loyal to what they wanted America to be, a place for rich White conservative people.
Democrats for our flaws (and we have many), want to help the vast majority of the people, even conservatives. We want to inconvenience the powerful and wealthy, who will continue to have more than enough, for the sake of giving everybody else at least the basics of what we need to survive. That has never been in the mindset of any conservative.