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Caliman73

(11,726 posts)
20. I understand the sentiment, but no.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 12:26 PM
Jul 2019

Both of the men who compare favorably with Trump BOTH of them, came to power by conspiring with hostile foreign nations and committing (at least in my view) treason. Nixon sabotaged the peace talks that Johnson had going on to end the Vietnam war. Nixon, through the Chennault Affair, got the South Vietnamese to pull away from the peace talks in 1968 with the promise of a "better deal" once he was elected. 5 more years of war, how many American soldiers and Vietnamese people died because of that. Johnson got word of it, but did not go to the FBI because he though it would have torn the country apart. That haunted him to his dying day.

Reagan similarly went behind the backs of the Carter Administration and told the Iranian government not to release the hostages in the US Embassy until after the election and promised to sell the regime weapons, which was illegal as Iran was already seen as a state sponsor of terrorism. So Reagan used Americans as pawns to win the presidency and started of his administration by breaking laws against selling weapons to foreign adversaries. Some of those very weapons were likely used to bomb the Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983.

They all "loved" the US, but only their image of what the US should be and they had their idea of who "real Americans" were too. They were not loyal to the people. They were loyal to what they wanted America to be, a place for rich White conservative people.

Democrats for our flaws (and we have many), want to help the vast majority of the people, even conservatives. We want to inconvenience the powerful and wealthy, who will continue to have more than enough, for the sake of giving everybody else at least the basics of what we need to survive. That has never been in the mindset of any conservative.

Not defending Nixon but - EPA, voting rights amendment, he worked WITH ... marble falls Jul 2019 #1
I agree, and MarianJack Jul 2019 #4
One time and one time only I heard my father defend Nixon. MarianJack Jul 2019 #5
Wally Hickle was a genial and genuinely nice person. His difference with BMN ... marble falls Jul 2019 #6
Nixon started with Quaker roots, Trump started with MOB roots. LiberalArkie Jul 2019 #12
Simple factual distinction between the two. marble falls Jul 2019 #16
+1. yonder Jul 2019 #30
I have to agree -- but I'm taking a shower shortly RVN VET71 Jul 2019 #31
The only one who truly doesn't look much better IN COMPARISON is Cheney, IMO hlthe2b Jul 2019 #2
I wonder if they ever want the heart back? MarianJack Jul 2019 #3
At least Nixon and Reagan's racism was kept behind closed doors for the most part. progressoid Jul 2019 #7
Reagan's racism was very evident unc70 Jul 2019 #10
Nixon was scum, like all repugs, and he had mental issues, like tRump & like tRump yaesu Jul 2019 #8
Dubya thanks God every day that he is not the stupidest President anymore. keithbvadu2 Jul 2019 #9
Yeah not fooled Jul 2019 #11
Not just dumb DownriverDem Jul 2019 #32
Trump is Nixon and Reagan's love child but he won't be the last, Uncle Joe Jul 2019 #13
He's the "hold my beer" president of the south.. Amimnoch Jul 2019 #14
"president of the south" - That's actually pretty funny. keithbvadu2 Jul 2019 #35
I understand the sentiment, but I just can't say the same. As far as I'm KPN Jul 2019 #15
Comparison of Trump to Nixon is like asking which smells worse pig excrement or human excrement Red Pest Jul 2019 #17
nixon was a petty thief, trump is a mob boss. spanone Jul 2019 #18
Neither Nixon nor Reagan (both of whom I detest) bdjhawk Jul 2019 #19
Are you sure? Caliman73 Jul 2019 #22
I understand the sentiment, but no. Caliman73 Jul 2019 #20
There would be no trump w/o Nixon, and no Nixon w/o Raygun NRaleighLiberal Jul 2019 #21
Quibble... Caliman73 Jul 2019 #23
Ah, yes. Too much hot gardening! A worthy quibble indeed! NRaleighLiberal Jul 2019 #33
It shows how far to the right our country has drifted. Fascism didn't happen overnight. jalan48 Jul 2019 #24
Our country has not drifted to the far right. Most Americans like D policies. stopbush Jul 2019 #26
Let's not forget that W said that a dictatorship in the USA might be OK stopbush Jul 2019 #27
Dems have moved right as well. Reagan and Nixon were awful.Do you think a Republican President would jalan48 Jul 2019 #29
At least Dubya must be sort of happy about Trump. Until the Orange Fuhrer came along Vinca Jul 2019 #25
Trump has not murdered millions ... yet. crazytown Jul 2019 #36
I can't think of a worse President C_U_L8R Jul 2019 #28
And the next Republican will be even worse than Trump fescuerescue Jul 2019 #34
The Veeps (Ford, GHWB, were not worse) crazytown Jul 2019 #37
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