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Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:43 PM

46. sorry, context matters

who, what and where are quite important, and so are when & why. the world being as complex as it is, the further back something's "when" is, the more i want to know about the "why".

remember how the Democrats used to be the party of the KKK? the right wing trolls certainly do, they bring it up often, and they're not entirely wrong. any progressive who argues this point with them without understanding the realignments of the 1960s is walking into a nasty trap. context matters. always.

> usage does not make it right or in any way acceptable
fair enough. i agree, it is not a healthy part of any polite conversation. however, i think a quick review of the thread will show that this is not so much about the use of the term itself (excepting this subthread), as it is about finding ways to kick around the "Justice Democrats".

here's how the DU thread would unfold if we're talking about the tweets on their own:
OP - "someone said something horribly offensive and hurtful to many people on twitter."
Replies - "sounds awful. must be a weekday."

here's how it might go if we're talking about the specific person's behavior patterns:
OP - "Kyle said something horribly offensive and hurtful to many people on twitter."
Replies - "Kyle is an asshole."
"he does this all the time, what a bigoted jerk."
"sure glad i don't have to work with that guy."
"boycott that guy's shit."

but what we have here appears different:
OP - "Kyle, co-founder of Justice Democrats, a distrusted organization whose other founders have done nasty & questionable things, said something horribly offensive and hurtful to many people on twitter 2 years ago."
Replies - "Kyle is an asshole, and so are his associates"
"Justice Democrats is a hive of scum and villainy"
"Justice Democrats is full of <activists_I_dislike> who aren't real Democrats anyway. fuck them."
"ignore those useless assholes with whom i disagree."

that's why i said it reminds me of the Gunn thing. there's a lot of broad-brushing going on here with some very thin paint. i dunno how it's all going to play out. Kyle Kulinski behaves like an outspoken asshole, of that i have little doubt having watched several of his videos, but that is not the issue here, is it? we know who said what. we know where (twitter) and when (2-3 years ago). we don't yet know why. this asshole makes some decent points in his videos, and (imho) comprehends the malignant mechanics of the alt-right and how to communicate with a younger generation of potential Democratic voters. i don't think these tweets, isolated as they are and taken on their own, are sufficient reason to ignore this person and/or those with whom he collaborates henceforth, nor do i take this to be sufficient evidence of ill intent from AOC or her associates - just my opinion and it could change later.

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