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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:25 AM

26. well, lift your eyes.

maybe you are so pessimistic because you live in florida, where solar is penalized. got a couple of big sisters in the villages, and they are so pissed they cant get solar. both have money for their retirements, and would love to invest it in solar instead of wall st paper.

but germany has stopped burning coal some days. all days soon.
all the other signatories to the paris accords are making great strides.
solar is cheaper, better and safer than nukes.

wind may not work in fla, tho, srsly? w the ocean winds? it is getting more efficient, and adapted to lower speeds. you could power a lot of the state w small wind, i am willing to bet.
but it works really well in a lot of places. i could probably power myself w solar plus small wind. if the sun isnt shining, the wind is blowing. i do have lake michigan breezes, but there are a lot of windy spots in the country.
there is a walgreens near me that is trying to be net zero. i dont know how they are doing, but they have a couple vertical turbines on the street that seem to be spinning along most times that i go by. some of what they are harvesting are breezes from the cars zooming by.

anyway, something occurs to me in this discussion-

seems like we are only counting mostly 2D space here on the surface.
what if we looked at this allocation of space in 3D?
what if we counted the atmosphere, the depths of the oceans, the cubic miles of the dead zone in the gulf and elsewhere?

this would make us take the full extent of the stuff we are belching into the atmosphere, and dumping in the ocean.
then what would it look like? pollution isnt just ppb, it's a cloud around us.

i think nukes have a pretty damn huge cloud, from mining to decommissioning. (tho, this would be a lot less damaging if they started getting their fuels from the glowing fracking waste we are spreading through that space.)
there are better ways.
we know that.

and we havent even touched the subject of conservation.

out of the full, 3D environment that we are talking about, as redeemable as old farm land is, you have to rank it at the bottom of the "worth saving" inventory. ranking pristine wilderness above that is just a no brainer. sorry.
you are wrongly presuming that is an either/or since farmers are one of the biggest beneficiaries of the expansion of wind.
you cant take a drive to the country w/o seeing at least a couple of rows of dancing turbines.

i think you are making a binary out of something that is extremely complex.
it is not zero sum. at.all.

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