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AtomicKitten

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100. It's really quite simple.

Tue Aug 28, 2012, 02:18 PM

Aug 2012

The vast majority of those not willing to parse and trivialize the rape charges against Assange support Wikileaks, so this Third Way Boo! theory has no relevance to the conversation. It simply makes some really uncomfortable witnessing rape charges rationalized so capriciously on behalf of an imperfect man.

Ya'll are welcome to your own opinion but not to your own facts. The accurate Swedish translation of court proceedings and reporting that has been posted here ad nauseam reflects two women who stand solidly behind the charges they have made. The campaign to undermine those charges by any means necessary reeks of misogyny, and I hope some here pause to reflect on that.

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This shameless, duplicitous Third Way propaganda program is absolutely painful to watch continue. [View all] Zorra Aug 2012 OP

Du rec. Nt xchrom Aug 2012 #1

Yep. The whole Assange fiasco... Teamster Jeff Aug 2012 #2

TL;DR: "Everyone who disagrees with me is a shill or an idiot." Robb Aug 2012 #3

No...and poor, but prompt, and substanceless, attempt. Zorra Aug 2012 #5

Don't mischaracterize your brilliant prose. Robb Aug 2012 #7

"The important thing is you've found a new bogeyman." great white snark Aug 2012 #19

Two lawyers disagree. Film at 11:00. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #23

David Allen Green is a shill, for the Third Way. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #32

Klamberg's main point in his blog post was... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #48

Thank you. Deliberate misinterpretation of the discussion by the anti-Wikileaks sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #130

*sigh* another strawman. Wealthy private interests are have been a primary enemy of the Democrats Zorra Aug 2012 #58

... Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #9

So you support the Third Way? rhett o rick Aug 2012 #17

I stand for a lot of things Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #20

Fair enough. Then tell me what you do stand for. rhett o rick Aug 2012 #21

She/he was aggressively in favor of the corrupt bank bailouts, as I recall. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #24

Care to post a link to where Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #31

It's been hours now Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #49

Are you serious? Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #25

As I expected. You will denigrate progressives but wont explain rhett o rick Aug 2012 #27

And as I expected Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #29

What is a progressive democrat to you? What issues are important to them? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #38

Is this a pop quiz Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #47

You seem unaware that there is a Progressive Caucus in our Party that goes by that very name Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #66

And you seem unaware Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #77

I see you proclaim that others 'self proclaim' but that's not what is being discussed... Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #79

OMG! Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #80

The question is what do you care about? I have asked that question to rhett o rick Aug 2012 #89

Exactly who are "you guys"? Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #91

"jeopardize the reelection of our President Barack Obama by continuously denigrating progressives to Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #119

Ah, no particular positions on any particular issues? Zalatix Aug 2012 #134

It seems there is a contingent here Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #137

Temper, temper. Just because you can't answer "what is a Progressive Democrat to you" Zalatix Aug 2012 #138

Please re-read my post at #137 Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #140

Don't need to. Zalatix Aug 2012 #141

As I've told you before Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #142

You're not arguing. You're throwing a tantrum and hurling personal attacks. Zalatix Aug 2012 #143

Look, sweetie Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #144

LOL at your enraged tantrums. "I know you are but what am I?" is all you've got left. Zalatix Aug 2012 #145

Projection ... Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #147

Seriously, Peewee Herman called and he wants his taunts back. Zalatix Aug 2012 #148

What's interesting is that those who oppose Wikileaks, also oppose OWS. The two most sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #35

Out of respect, sabrina1 Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #51

There's nothing ridiculous about what she said. Zalatix Aug 2012 #55

I completely support OWS. Wikileaks not so much. Chorophyll Aug 2012 #63

OK tama Aug 2012 #105

Care to offer a link to " certain posters starting every OP or reply Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #72

The answer: nothing. Zalatix Aug 2012 #149

They believe in "whatever Pres Obama believes". But that's as far rhett o rick Aug 2012 #150

And criticizing Obama on ANYTHING puts you outside the big tent. Zalatix Aug 2012 #154

Right after the election in 2008, the Democratic machine decided rhett o rick Aug 2012 #155

And THAT mindset is why the Democratic Party keeps shifting to the right. Congratulations! Zalatix Aug 2012 #33

What mindset is that? Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #45

"Welcome to Litmus Test Underground" Zalatix Aug 2012 #56

Here are the "self-proclaimed true progressives". Tell me, what "mindset" do have a problem with? PassingFair Aug 2012 #62

It would seem more than obvious Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #76

lol. Don't want to give a straight answer to a direct question? Little Red Riding Hood: Zorra Aug 2012 #60

I see you got a nice children's book Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #78

Accurate labels for all things have been the most common form of human communication Zorra Aug 2012 #116

A lot of words to say one simple thing Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #121

+100,000, sing it loud, we're leftists AND PROUD!!! Zalatix Aug 2012 #135

Bullshit.. sendero Aug 2012 #88

I never argued the fact that the Third Way isn't an actual organization Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #90

If it quacks like a duck and it walks like a duck... Zalatix Aug 2012 #146

lately it's become abundantly clear that yes, sometimes they are... mike_c Aug 2012 #16

It's not nice to insinuate that he is a shill. rhett o rick Aug 2012 #18

Where they belong is NOT in a civilized society. Zalatix Aug 2012 #34

Many of them are, let's be honest. Marr Aug 2012 #37

I quickly stopped too hfojvt Aug 2012 #73

Superb analysis. 99Forever Aug 2012 #4

Exactly. nt Zorra Aug 2012 #6

Yep. laundry_queen Aug 2012 #40

The Third Way is nothing but Bush Doctrine Redux. formercia Aug 2012 #8

Indeed, I thought the topic referred to RNC coverage... kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #156

Third Way tama Aug 2012 #10

Kick. Nt xchrom Aug 2012 #11

Well stated... About time somebody comes out and says the obvious fascisthunter Aug 2012 #12

The swamping of DU with the Third Way shite is undermining this site's functionality. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #13

They are permitted, welcomed, and protected on the site. woo me with science Aug 2012 #98

Yep, seen that lie all over the Assange threads here. The Doctor. Aug 2012 #14

Thank you for shedding some light on the Assange drama 99th_Monkey Aug 2012 #15

K&R! If one of them suggested harvesting the organs of undocumented immigrants, backscatter712 Aug 2012 #22

K&R idwiyo Aug 2012 #26

Thanks. Cleita Aug 2012 #28

Good, AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #30

Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic Leadership Council, etc. bobthedrummer Aug 2012 #36

I don't know it's Third Way, but I'm sure some organization is systematically astroturfing here. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #39

They don't need to pay more than one or two people. Those who actually sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #41

Just do some Googling on astroturfing - big organizations have some sophisticated tools. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratsForProgress Aug 2012 #52

Yet another example of Greenwald's now long history as a fuckeddy-faced little liar. struggle4progress Aug 2012 #43

Lol, that's an awful of work to try to discredit Greenwald. HB Gary had him on their list sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #44

Translation: "Anyone who dislikes Greenwald is a paid operative or a stooge" struggle4progress Aug 2012 #68

Are they? I don't believe I have ever said that. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #71

David Allen Green is WRONG and no less a person than Klamberg shows why along with sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #46

Before he ranted on Greenwald, he expressed his "disappointment" in Baltazar Garzon... backscatter712 Aug 2012 #59

Lol. The ptbs went after Garzon also because he went after the Bush criminals sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #64

No, I mocked Garzon for spouting whackadoodle crap about grand juries, and then I mocked him struggle4progress Aug 2012 #65

Please note what Prof. Kevin Von Heller actually cites: AntiFascist Aug 2012 #50

So first Greenwald, trying to argue his view, misrepresents both Klamberg and Heller struggle4progress Aug 2012 #53

Uh, did you notice Greenwald's response... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #54

Greenwald first misrepresents Klamberg as supporting Greenwald's view, and then (when it struggle4progress Aug 2012 #67

Greenwald did not misrepresent Klamberg. As has been proven to you now several sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #70

Red herring? AntiFascist Aug 2012 #74

From your second link: ronnie624 Aug 2012 #61

Any legal issue can be argued from both sides treestar Aug 2012 #124

That is true. BUT Greenwald's technique is worth noting: what he does is quote people who disagree struggle4progress Aug 2012 #126

I despise the Third Way and the DLC from which they were birthed tavalon Aug 2012 #57

Agree....sadly... KoKo Aug 2012 #92

K&R for a fresh blast of much needed truth. nt woo me with science Aug 2012 #69

"New" Democrats ??!!! bvar22 Aug 2012 #75

Will someone explain what The Third Way has to to with Greenwald's argument? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #81

I'll support my recommendation... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #82

It seems a ridiculously tenuous connection muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #85

Third Way is not just a Think Tank... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #87

The Gates Foundation is in on it, too. At least that's the latest claim.... msanthrope Aug 2012 #127

Yeah, it's a bizarre tangent. cemaphonic Aug 2012 #83

"Extradition to Sweden" is not the issue we are against... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #84

they won't... the dishonest narrative must be repeated, and repeated to "Catupult the propaganda" fascisthunter Aug 2012 #94

When are republicans going to do their version of 3rd way? craigmatic Aug 2012 #86

Ron/Rand Paul...might be the beginnings of their own Third Way...n/t KoKo Aug 2012 #93

Not really because it'd still be conservative. craigmatic Aug 2012 #95

That already happened, in 1985, the heart of the Reagan era. Zorra Aug 2012 #122

I know about the DLC but my point was where is the republicans' moderate version of it? craigmatic Aug 2012 #128

I just received this email from TYT Oilwellian Aug 2012 #96

Thanks, I guess. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #152

Kick. woo me with science Aug 2012 #97

kick woo me with science Aug 2012 #99

It's really quite simple. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #100

Bullshit, woo me with science Aug 2012 #101

Occupy! AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #102

Yup, that's the typical response woo me with science Aug 2012 #103

Yup, that's the typical response AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #106

Shame on you. nt woo me with science Aug 2012 #107

back at ya in spades AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #108

The corporate shilling is thick here and across the internet, and transparent as hell. woo me with science Aug 2012 #109

parse away, apologist AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #110

As I said, transparent as hell. nt woo me with science Aug 2012 #112

^ projection AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #113

I wonder if astroturfing has procedures... woo me with science Aug 2012 #114

Rape apologist bingo! AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #115

Thank you for that stunning pink Bingo! example woo me with science Aug 2012 #117

LOL. You tout an opinion post on a message board as scripture. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #120

I'll ask again, when will those who are putting so much energy into this sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #133

As soon as someone is accused of rape he's pretty much guilty in your book. Zalatix Aug 2012 #136

So.... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #123

apparently ... AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #125

Two activists who worked to help victims of sexual assault are members of a "cult of personality"? backscatter712 Aug 2012 #132

Wrong, the two women have not spoken publicly since the sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #131

It is only simple because you choose to think so. rhett o rick Aug 2012 #151

What would make the Third Way disappear? Public funding of elections. librechik Aug 2012 #104

Yup. The entire process is corrupted and controlled by corporate interests. woo me with science Aug 2012 #111

Great point! Zorra Aug 2012 #118

+ 1 million. Doesn't France use public funding? Zalatix Aug 2012 #139

kick Zorra Aug 2012 #129

bless your little heart for trying so hard to diss dems instead of republicans. dionysus Aug 2012 #153

kick4progress Zorra Aug 2012 #157

^ Zorra Sep 2012 #158