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151. You know what would have been 100% better?

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 07:14 PM

Jun 2019

Last edited Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:32 PM - Edit history (1)

Allow her to have a death on paper, and give her a chance to start over somewhere else. Yes, someone with money would have to build that Cinderella story for her. And yes, there would be continuing therapy involved. I don't know where this child has been in the world, but maybe if she was allowed to start all over in a place where people's worlds are more stark than the one she has lived in, her sense of priorities might get an awakening.

It would have been worth a shot.

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17 year old dutch girl, victim of rape, dies by legal euthanasia [View all] ansible Jun 2019 OP

That is terrible. There are new meds all the time. She could have been applegrove Jun 2019 #1

OOHHHHHHHHHH! hlthe2b Jun 2019 #2

That's the saddest thing Mr.Bill Jun 2019 #3

She was probably painfully alone. lpbk2713 Jun 2019 #4

too fucking sad and horrible JI7 Jun 2019 #5

More details: dalton99a Jun 2019 #6

What a compounded tragedy UpInArms Jun 2019 #16

Thanks for the link. Did answer my question about psychological and medical interventions. nt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Ponietz Jun 2019 #179

I do not agree with this. boston bean Jun 2019 #7

I don't either. LisaL Jun 2019 #9

For those in the US BigMin28 Jun 2019 #113

Right and there will never be options if the solution is to kill them...cheaper I guess... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #165

Medicine doesn't work for everyone with depression or bipolar disorder, unfortunately. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #118

I can see the argument that she's too young. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #15

I believe a person should be able to die with no physical pain if they are going to die. boston bean Jun 2019 #22

I agree 100% that they should be helped. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #23

A teenager should not be helped to commit suicide. boston bean Jun 2019 #25

That's my issue too. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #26

You have little understanding of the agony that mental illness can inflict Politicub Jun 2019 #126

We should not be helping people who are depressed to commit suicide. boston bean Jun 2019 #133

bipolar is NOT a terminal illness Mosby Jun 2019 #136

I stand corrected. It's a chronic illness. Politicub Jun 2019 #137

We do know that the prefrontal cortex EllieBC Jun 2019 #139

Because the people who argue that point Dem2theMax Jun 2019 #38

Exactly. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #40

AMEN! Dem2theMax Jun 2019 #42

Not all people ecstatic Jun 2019 #104

At seventeen, her brain is not fully developed. And she has not had a chance to emotionally emmaverybo Jun 2019 #51

We don't usually kill people because they have physical pain. LisaL Jun 2019 #93

I'm for Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #94

Her parents did not interfere with her decision to die. SeaDoo Jun 2019 #150

What!!! Ah no. Depressed people who want to commit suicide should not be helped along by anyone. boston bean Jun 2019 #153

Ah, damn. brer cat Jun 2019 #8

This is so heartbreaking. smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #10

That's unconscionable for any medical judgement. procon Jun 2019 #11

She had basically been killing herself for over a year. BigmanPigman Jun 2019 #12

Because with the proper treatment she had a good chance of recovery. Most cases when people lunamagica Jun 2019 #19

Many experienced doctors obviously did not agree BigmanPigman Jun 2019 #20

It makes me sick to my stomach a teenager suffering depression was helped to end her life. boston bean Jun 2019 #27

What do you think was improper about the treatment she'd received? nt. Mariana Jun 2019 #58

She was very young. Her brain wasn't fully developed yet. There are several people on this thread lunamagica Jun 2019 #59

So you are advocating for people to kill themselves if they are in bad (NOT TERMINAL) mental pain or UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #67

Mental pain and suffering can be as bad, if not worse, than BigmanPigman Jun 2019 #84

Nobody is saying that mental pain can't be severe or dibilatating. But if it is not TERMINAL...that UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #92

so suffering must be endured at all costs stopdiggin Jun 2019 #134

Most suicides are impulsive, hers was certainly anything but that. BigmanPigman Jun 2019 #142

This is outrageous tymorial Jun 2019 #13

Agreed!!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #55

In BC, doctor's aren't allowed to tell parents anything if kid is "capable" and says not to OnlinePoker Jun 2019 #128

In our town we had a 14 year old die last year because BC won't let parents commit EllieBC Jun 2019 #140

Not similar. Parents knew since she died at home because she refused LisaL Jun 2019 #157

At the time of my response, it was still being report she had died by assisted suicide. OnlinePoker Jun 2019 #162

And so are some of these replies. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #73

Yeah it's really quite disturbing tymorial Jun 2019 #90

So, so, sad. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #14

It's a good thing Netherlands stays out of wars Beringia Jun 2019 #17

The Dutch were in Afghanistan until 2010. Codeine Jun 2019 #18

+1 Chin music Jun 2019 #35

They also have a good social safety net treestar Jun 2019 #99

I completely support her choice. The_jackalope Jun 2019 #21

Your wife was so blessed to have such a compassionate man in her life. Dem2theMax Jun 2019 #39

The price of such compassion can be excruciatingly high The_jackalope Jun 2019 #48

I feel for you more than you can possibly know. Dem2theMax Jun 2019 #56

Thank you for sharing your difficult story with grace and an open heart. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #46

But would you feel the same if it were your 17yr old daughter ? Your wife was terminal UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #64

Yes I would. The_jackalope Jun 2019 #70

I do not...and find it horrifying ...one of the reasons I am completely against this...she was a Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #87

A 17-year-old Committing Suicide RobinA Jun 2019 #127

targic weissmam Jun 2019 #24

I wish people could understand that treatment is not a catch all cure all. defacto7 Jun 2019 #32

It has never worked for me, but I still think it was wrong. Crunchy Frog Jun 2019 #43

It never worked for me either. Your reply is understandable and thoughtful. defacto7 Jun 2019 #98

So we should allow 17 year olds to kill themselves? Horrifying. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #88

Oversimplification is not a reasonable remark to a complex issue. defacto7 Jun 2019 #97

I dont find this issue complex. I am against this period.horrifying. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #164

It's a terrible thing when someone feels it's their only option. defacto7 Jun 2019 #174

I believe in choice whatever the circumstances. defacto7 Jun 2019 #28

So if your teen aged daughter or niece chose to kill themselves you would support that then. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #68

If I had fulfilled my responsibilities as a parent, yes, and her human rights would remain intact. defacto7 Jun 2019 #96

I'm so sorry she had to go through this, and hope the men responsible paid. But, Euthanasia is Hoyt Jun 2019 #29

This happened just a few years ago. 3 YEARS AGO and yes suicide is the answer. UNREAL. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #69

I think those of you who are criticizing her choice may PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2019 #30

+1 The_jackalope Jun 2019 #34

Right RobinA Jun 2019 #129

It's easy to be judgemental ZeroSomeBrains Jun 2019 #36

There are people who have survived more treestar Jun 2019 #100

Right. Just like telling a woman, PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2019 #109

But then treating pain is part of recovery treestar Jun 2019 #111

Have you been in her shoes? Were you sexually abused at age 11, PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2019 #155

I have not , no treestar Jun 2019 #161

Exactly. LisaL Jun 2019 #171

Heartbreaking MustLoveBeagles Jun 2019 #31

the teen underwent electroshock therapy. IcyPeas Jun 2019 #33

That explains a lot Cetacea Jun 2019 #41

That's what happened to Earnest Hemingway. Crunchy Frog Jun 2019 #45

One of the side effects can be depression, ironically. For Hemingway, memory loss was very emmaverybo Jun 2019 #53

Some people seem to think she just walked in Mariana Jun 2019 #57

Well the rape happened at 14 and she was 17 ...so yeah 3 years I guess is enough time for any UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #76

It seems like kind of a discriminatory attitude towards people with depression. Crunchy Frog Jun 2019 #83

Yes. If it had been cancer it would be have tragic treestar Jun 2019 #101

It's hard to know what to say. calimary Jun 2019 #37

Horrible! Catherine Vincent Jun 2019 #44

'Ik hou van je vogeltje. Je bent nu vrij.' Chin music Jun 2019 #47

Vrijheid is het kostbaarste geschenk The_jackalope Jun 2019 #49

+1z Chin music Jun 2019 #50

My heart breaks for this girl. smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #54

Not okay with this. Drahthaardogs Jun 2019 #60

While I am saddend at this young womans life ending decision, it was her decision. trc Jun 2019 #61

Amen! nt The_jackalope Jun 2019 #63

She committed suicide at 17 and you think that is a good solution...yeah OK. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #65

I did not say it was a good solution. I said it was her choice. trc Jun 2019 #71

Oh yes because 17 year old children know what is best. OMG. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #72

At what age could she have made this decision in accordance with your standards? trc Jun 2019 #74

So you are pro choice suicide....got it. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #77

I am indeed for individual freedom of choice. trc Jun 2019 #78

Well since you say I'm dismissive then I'll go along with it and do just that. UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #81

Teenagers do make that choice and follow through treestar Jun 2019 #106

Well, it's beyond a shadow of a doubt defacto7 Jun 2019 #102

Teenagers make a lot of bad choices treestar Jun 2019 #105

exactly, going on about her choice at that age treestar Jun 2019 #103

This is profoundly sad shanti Jun 2019 #62

She said she wrote her book to help other people. This is the final lesson? This should not be UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #66

Each of us is terminal. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #75

careful you are channeling Barr treestar Jun 2019 #107

Ha! It's true though. We all have different ideas on how to spend that time, of course. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #108

Very sad situation but Meowmee Jun 2019 #79

Prime non nocere tirebiter Jun 2019 #80

I'll probably get all kinds of crap for this, but ... mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #82

"Sexually assaulted at...age 11...again a year later...before being raped by two men...at age 14." VOX Jun 2019 #85

You've presented both sides well, thanks for this lucid analysis mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #135

It's a tough one. Both perspectives have validity. VOX Jun 2019 #149

And to me, the essential point is that PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2019 #175

Hey y'all, she did not die from euthanasia. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #86

It's almost like people just reacted to headline without actually reading the story. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #115

Did you read the story? Because the information I posted wasn't in the story. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #116

They must have changed it the story, then. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #122

I see they changed the link, but the OP hasn't changed. Got it! WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #123

Yup, the RW lies being told about this girl and her death is appalling obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #148

this story is not accurate. Kurt V. Jun 2019 #89

It's not entirely wrong either fescuerescue Jun 2019 #110

You're saying they should have force-fed her? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2019 #117

I'm not in position to prescribe treatment fescuerescue Jun 2019 #119

You don't think palliative care while she died was "appropriate medical practice" muriel_volestrangler Jun 2019 #124

There are ways to treat malnutrician fescuerescue Jun 2019 #125

"The family had tried many kinds of psychiatric treatment ..." (see reply #120) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2019 #131

Not a huge difference treestar Jun 2019 #112

Euthanasia by malnutrician fescuerescue Jun 2019 #121

It's sad no matter what. the point is this story spead very fast bc reputable news made a mistake Kurt V. Jun 2019 #143

If it were true, from the earliest threads, there treestar Jun 2019 #146

New title: Noa Pothoven dies after struggles with sexual assault, depression, and anorexia n/t demmiblue Jun 2019 #91

Headline is false and ought to be edited. Kaleva Jun 2019 #95

Her body, her choice madville Jun 2019 #114

people that are mentally ill do not make good chioces Mosby Jun 2019 #130

Twitter thread on the misreporting of this, from a Politico EU reporter: muriel_volestrangler Jun 2019 #120

Well, I decry the inaccurate reporting here, for sure. I hate that crap ... BUT mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #132

Charge the child molestor who abused and raped her with murder. EllieBC Jun 2019 #138

She never reported it to the police from what has been reported. LisaL Jun 2019 #156

Thread should be taken down or substantially revised. maxsolomon Jun 2019 #141

This is a tough call for me. Captain Stern Jun 2019 #144

This is really sad and terrible. BigDemVoter Jun 2019 #145

She did NOT die from legal suicide -- clickbait, lying headlines about this obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #147

She exactly died from legal suicide. LisaL Jun 2019 #152

No, she did not die from legal suicide obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #166

What are you saying she died from then? LisaL Jun 2019 #169

No. What I am saying is that this case represents the slippery slope people against "assisted emmaverybo Jun 2019 #154

SHE DID NOT DIE FROM GOVT ASSISTED SUICIDE obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #167

I said I do not call death with dignity assisted suicide. Her case was not legally assisted emmaverybo Jun 2019 #172

You know what would have been 100% better? Baitball Blogger Jun 2019 #151

You have a big heart. BeckyDem Jun 2019 #159

Poor baby, so sad. RIP BeckyDem Jun 2019 #158

I'm sad she went through that pain. Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2019 #160

Seriously sloppy journalism and Euronews has corrected its headline. SMC22307 Jun 2019 #163

And people alllll through this thread still saying she was given obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #168

Because that what was reported in the article linked in the OP. LisaL Jun 2019 #170

People - everywhere - need to slow down with these types of headlines, SMC22307 Jun 2019 #176

This post needs revision. The media got it wrong. Facts developed in the story show emmaverybo Jun 2019 #173

You can read an update here. lapucelle Jun 2019 #177

Good. Thanks. Just a very sad story. Glad she was not alone. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #178