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Surely the criminals in the Senate will have an epiphany when they see the ironclad case dalton99a May 2019 #1
I highly doubt it. nt live love laugh May 2019 #2
Reading of the evidence and arguments by Chief Justice John Roberts might just create that epiphany. ancianita May 2019 #7
They want to stack the courts with conservatives. They do not care what trump did. wasupaloopa May 2019 #11
But the American public will see the Truth of Justice Roberts's SENATE trial and vote accordingly. ancianita May 2019 #14
Nearly half of the American people do not care what trump did or does. He was right when wasupaloopa May 2019 #15
Impeachment is the hill I'm willing to die on, and America should see that about House Democrats. ancianita May 2019 #17
The question is HOW to meet our duty successfully, Hortensis May 2019 #191
I'll feel miserable if we die on that hill,but it'll be a good miserable in that when we later die, ancianita May 2019 #197
Okay. Immortal we are. Hortensis May 2019 #206
Absolutely true.So we fight scared.Together. Their darkness will only recede by our beating it back. ancianita May 2019 #209
They might crow but everybody knows that it will be a totally partisan vote that "exonerates" him Proud Liberal Dem May 2019 #215
My hill too. Party should be about more than votes. notdarkyet May 2019 #192
Thank you! I welcome any and all company. Otherwise, why do we bother with "we're all in this ancianita May 2019 #199
I'm on that hill with you. Nevermypresident May 2019 #250
... ancianita May 2019 #260
More like 40%. n/t pnwmom May 2019 #30
Whre are you getting your half figures? The gop is about 30-35%, thats not half. Chin music May 2019 #120
RIGHT?? ancianita May 2019 #201
+1+1 Chin music May 2019 #202
I'm 64. SCVDem May 2019 #24
Same feelings here. MythosMaster May 2019 #66
See post #121. Chin music May 2019 #142
Come on Big Daddy. Don't let these people bring you down like that. Chin music May 2019 #121
Right there with you!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #163
FUCK them do NOT go quietly AT ALL, we can do this together but not alone Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #184
I'm 64 too. Have no more tolerance for this. notdarkyet May 2019 #193
I'm 71 and I'm joining all the fighters on your behalf. Hang tough and keep the faith. ancianita May 2019 #204
You are correct JustAnotherGen May 2019 #48
Where are tapes when we need them? Slimy folks like trump et al know Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #73
No. But don't give McConnell the chance to acquit. Send it over on the last day of the session. lagomorph777 May 2019 #225
Hasn't swayed them so far? Brainfodder May 2019 #228
They have already seen it fescuerescue May 2019 #233
he has commited so many fucking crimes. hopefully the state of New York JI7 May 2019 #3
That's her point. New York probably won't be able to live love laugh May 2019 #5
I believe New York state is looking at STATE charges around money deals. dixiegrrrrl May 2019 #8
Why? empedocles May 2019 #52
"The State won't be pressing any charges until after he is no longer in the WH." former9thward May 2019 #107
Obviously not. LanternWaste May 2019 #178
The statute of limitations for Federal tax evasion would not be over dixiegrrrrl May 2019 #198
No, it is not possible he was "charged" and it was "settled quietly". former9thward May 2019 #232
Sorry but that argument makes no legal sense. Impeachment has nothing to do with crimimal charges. PoliticAverse May 2019 #10
The Senate trial will exhonerate him. tymorial May 2019 #57
They won't exonerate him. They will fall short of removing him but he will be badly weakened. hedda_foil May 2019 #170
Yeah, I think you're right about this. Tertullian May 2019 #229
A Senate trial isn't a criminal trial, so that wouldn't matter. pnwmom May 2019 #31
It's a good point malaise May 2019 #42
State Criminal charges have nothing to do with obstruction charges thru the Impeachment Process. Nevermypresident May 2019 #249
When in history larwdem May 2019 #4
When in history has any president broken more laws? live love laugh May 2019 #6
Never... start the impeachment process NOW!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #165
Clinton plead to lying under oath after leaving IINM uponit7771 May 2019 #54
Reagan was clearly guilty in Iran-Contra at140 May 2019 #180
bologna the Senate acquitting him will not forbid criminal prosecuction when he is no longer standingtall May 2019 #9
What will impeachment get us? wasupaloopa May 2019 #12
What will not impeaching get us? standingtall May 2019 #13
I asked first wasupaloopa May 2019 #16
Respect, not impeaching Trump will hand the House back to the GOP Snake Plissken May 2019 #22
Bull Trumpocalypse May 2019 #28
Good luck with that. Snake Plissken May 2019 #32
Thanks Trumpocalypse May 2019 #33
Now you just need to start praying for the economy to tank so your 2008 scenario can play out. Snake Plissken May 2019 #35
Wow Trumpocalypse May 2019 #50
The economy was a key for Dumya and tricky dick's downfalls empedocles May 2019 #51
This is why impeachment is risky... Drunken Irishman May 2019 #155
Excellent point. I've never seen that mentioned in the impeachment debate. empedocles May 2019 #162
Or may it makes the Dems look smart and strategic Trumpocalypse May 2019 #29
Most Americans don't think that way at all. They see inaction after a 2-yr investigation as WEAK. ancianita May 2019 #208
Don't presume you know how others think You just know how you and the friends Trumpocalypse May 2019 #227
I don't have to presume. Americans voted forty new Democratic House seats last year. ancianita May 2019 #253
And most of those House wins were in moderate swing districts Trumpocalypse May 2019 #259
Voters that put them there show the "moderate" characterization is over. The polls that year show it ancianita May 2019 #261
Show a poll that proves your argument Trumpocalypse May 2019 #262
No polls on Democrats' being WEAK exist. There are articles on weak public support for impeachment. ancianita May 2019 #268
Thanks for admitting you don't have any proof Trumpocalypse May 2019 #270
I admit Pew's, Reuters, NBC/WSJ polls back my claim. "Most" is still unproven unless Gallup backs it ancianita Jun 2019 #276
No they don't Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #277
Evidence isn't total lack of proof, it's just not enough to prove a majority attitude YET, but trend ancianita Jun 2019 #278
We'll see nt Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #279
Why do you think Pelosi doesn't know what she's doing as far as timing is concerned? (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #93
Because I don't think she is infallible standingtall May 2019 #214
You're avoiding the question... again. ehrnst May 2019 #217
Not knowing what she is doing were your words not mine standingtall May 2019 #218
So you think that she's qualified and knows what she's doing then? Your posts indicate otherwise. ehrnst May 2019 #220
Did it ever occur to you that remark was directed at what the OP wrote? standingtall May 2019 #222
The OP is titled "Pelosi on impeachment: " ehrnst May 2019 #224
This is what the OP wrote standingtall May 2019 #231
You described the statement ascribed to her as "bologna" ehrnst May 2019 #235
No votes from the pro-impeachment base, and the loss of party membership. Pretty simple. ancianita May 2019 #207
You avoided the question. ehrnst May 2019 #219
I can have my opinion and my opinion can opinion can be right and it can be wrong too standingtall May 2019 #221
Yet another strawman... ehrnst May 2019 #223
You don't know what I thought she said or that I even cared standingtall May 2019 #236
You responded to the OP - you just said that. I don't have to 'read your mind' to know that.... ehrnst May 2019 #239
Again you are trying to read my mind standingtall May 2019 #241
More evasion via red herring. ehrnst May 2019 #243
This message was self-deleted by its author standingtall May 2019 #245
Three things: once proceedings began he couldn't pardon Roger Stone or anyone else pnwmom May 2019 #34
OP Worthy uponit7771 May 2019 #44
Another impeachment count... fine!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #59
Been trying to tell people this... some just refuse to acknowledge what is so obvious. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #166
The party of the impeached has never fared well in elections post impeachment process ... uponit7771 May 2019 #43
That election was pre-impeachment, not post whopis01 May 2019 #62
Does not matter, it didn't help Democrats one way or the other uponit7771 May 2019 #152
Votes! That simple. ancianita May 2019 #205
esp after it bombs in the senate.. then what do we have to threaten trump with? samnsara Jun 2019 #288
Until there is a link, we don't know for sure that's what she said. ehrnst May 2019 #88
No one cares what happens to ex-President Trump n/t leftstreet May 2019 #18
It IS tricky. madamesilverspurs May 2019 #19
If he gets acquitted he gets re-elected, is the problem (nt) Recursion May 2019 #20
Then we have a much bigger problem rufus dog May 2019 #23
BINGO!!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #168
:) This whole thread's an argument against democracy, Hortensis May 2019 #64
That's a big leap, with very little evidence to back it up Downtown Hound May 2019 #186
So, your assumption is Chin music May 2019 #230
Clinton's numbers went up after his acquittal; Trump's would too Recursion Jun 2019 #271
Clinton created 22 million jobs. He was beloved by the world. And, he and VP Gore gave Chin music Jun 2019 #272
And Trump's economic numbers are almost as good Recursion Jun 2019 #273
If the numbers are correct. Those numbers don't pan out where I live. Chin music Jun 2019 #280
Post removed Post removed May 2019 #21
No stalling, foot dragging, or wimping out. Not enough VOTES to pass the resolution to start emmaverybo May 2019 #25
Heard this same argument in 07 Trumpocalypse May 2019 #27
Does anyone else feel SCVDem May 2019 #26
I don't know about a war, but I will lay out some dominoes that could fall in a chain that will lead Celerity May 2019 #38
No. bearsfootball516 May 2019 #139
I think that the Republicans' reaction gets worse and worse each time they lose power again. StevieM May 2019 #173
isn't he facing countless indictments in NYC? SleeplessinSoCal May 2019 #36
Yes, even if he's exonerated of all federal crimes that doesn't stop the state ones unless there's uponit7771 May 2019 #56
Plus, it isn't a criminal trial Bettie May 2019 #102
and the GOP is no longer concerned with precedent. SleeplessinSoCal May 2019 #190
There's that too Bettie May 2019 #194
There are plenty of crimes to charge Trump, especially at the state level. Start the proceedings. airmid May 2019 #37
+1, they can make the impeachment mandate very narrow they don't have to include the kitchen sink uponit7771 May 2019 #41
Here's the video for those who missed it! Rhiannon12866 May 2019 #39
thank you for posting that Celerity May 2019 #45
That's an excellent point, that jumped out at me too Rhiannon12866 May 2019 #53
Not in cases that aren't related to the impeachment. uponit7771 May 2019 #40
Not going to happen, but my ideal scenario is Trump being taken into custody no_hypocrisy May 2019 #46
It won't free him from NY charges down the road. sarabelle May 2019 #47
That's not true. W_HAMILTON May 2019 #49
The goalposts get moved, the bar gets raised BeyondGeography May 2019 #55
Sounds good to me! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #60
What "excuses?" (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #67
Not to act BeyondGeography May 2019 #68
Again... what excuses are being given? ehrnst May 2019 #72
👍🏾 live love laugh May 2019 #240
Yes, all I am asking for (and I think most are here) is open a simple enquiry, I do NOT want to Celerity May 2019 #118
+1 BeyondGeography May 2019 #123
And an enquiry really raises the chances he will come and testify in public, before the House Celerity May 2019 #129
We seem to be in a minority around DU. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #160
I'm totally with this. ancianita May 2019 #255
I'd allege that as well... if I too had no objective evidence to support it. LanternWaste May 2019 #183
My evidence is ironclad BeyondGeography May 2019 #187
I trust Pelosi's judgement. She's got the track record that makes me trust it. RelativelyJones May 2019 #58
except if you consider that she let Bush off the hook. Blues Heron May 2019 #61
So the ACA was worth nothing, and being chosen again and again and again ehrnst May 2019 #80
her track record on impeaching Bush speaks for itself Blues Heron May 2019 #128
You could say the ame for the Obama Adminsitration Kaleva May 2019 #81
I know. I never understood the deferrence given to Bush. Blues Heron May 2019 #127
It is not her judgement many of us are taking issue with. She said that a Senate acquittal Celerity May 2019 #70
When did Pelosi say that a Senate acquittal precludes DT from future legal prosecution? ehrnst May 2019 #83
She didn't say that. She said "there is a school of thought" in the Kimmel interview. RelativelyJones May 2019 #86
yes BUT she is basing her conclusion/rationale off that school of thought in her answer Celerity May 2019 #114
Not what I took away from it. ehrnst May 2019 #132
well, without opening an official enquiry (which is all I am asking for) we are never going to get Celerity May 2019 #135
I don't think that she was saying that it was an iron clad truism, etched in stone. ehrnst May 2019 #143
that is the entire subject of this OP thread we are in Celerity May 2019 #103
Not what she said... ehrnst May 2019 #125
I already addressed that in another comment. Celerity May 2019 #131
I just addressed that post. ehrnst May 2019 #136
I do not want impeachment now, but if we wait 5, 6 months or even until early or mid-2020 Celerity May 2019 #140
Like I said ehrnst May 2019 #146
here, both the video and then the NYT article, plus numerous commentators Celerity May 2019 #159
Is this where you heard that the base is "peeling off?" (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #161
like I said, there have been numerous people talking about the inherent risks of not doing enough Celerity May 2019 #164
I was specifically addressing your claim that "the base is peeling off," which is something that can ehrnst May 2019 #172
i would say not a single American has a track record for the current situation. Kurt V. May 2019 #134
She has a fantastic track record as a Speaker and legislator, which is what ehrnst May 2019 #174
no. but that's bc she's already the Speaker. this is so unique I'm not sure anyone inside of Kurt V. May 2019 #179
"Accessing" or Assessing? ehrnst May 2019 #182
Assessing. lol. agree there isn't anyone more qualified in a normal situation. all the house Kurt V. May 2019 #188
In order to think outside the box effectively, one must know the box one is trying to fix ehrnst May 2019 #189
lots of good points . as a straight white man, my straight white friends don't like it when i Kurt V. May 2019 #213
to get back to our main discussion, this is what i think the Speaker is missing : Kurt V. May 2019 #257
Not clear on what the Speaker is missing with this link.(nt) ehrnst May 2019 #267
i read trump has made 15 million off the taxpayer thru his propertys. she should pursue Kurt V. Jun 2019 #275
I don't know if that is criminal, and we have limited resources. ehrnst Jun 2019 #284
So do I. Irishxs May 2019 #203
I do too--she cannot and should not reveal their entire "hand". nt live love laugh May 2019 #251
Yeah, she's way overthinking this. It's rationalization. nt coti May 2019 #63
What makes your judgement on this better than hers? ehrnst May 2019 #76
I'm not compromised by power like she is. It's easy for me to be right. coti May 2019 #78
In what way is she "compromised by power?" ehrnst May 2019 #79
Yes, the pressures of responsibility and power can skew people's judgment coti May 2019 #97
So now you're saying she's 'frightened?" ehrnst May 2019 #100
Nothing? (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #89
"Compromised by power"? You've got to be kidding me. RelativelyJones May 2019 #92
No, she wasn't- in fact, some would say we won despite her. coti May 2019 #95
And who are those who would say that? Justice Democrats? Young Turks? RelativelyJones May 2019 #96
Candidates in swing districts who said they wouldn't support her for Speaker? BeyondGeography May 2019 #98
Why does that mean we won "in spite of her?" ehrnst May 2019 #105
You again? BeyondGeography May 2019 #112
Too much time on your hands as well, I see... ehrnst May 2019 #153
Who is the "some" other than you? ehrnst May 2019 #104
It's flat out Pelosi bashing RelativelyJones May 2019 #106
*clutches pearls*....Actually, no it isn't. coti May 2019 #111
When you accuse her of being "compromised" without evidence you are bashing. Have the guts to own it RelativelyJones May 2019 #116
I was ASKED what makes my judgment better than hers, and I told you. coti May 2019 #117
"Compromised" a strong accusation without a shred of support but your personal opinion. RelativelyJones May 2019 #119
It doesn't sound like you understand what I mean re being compromised by power. coti May 2019 #126
"Compromised" is what Trump likely was by the Russians and I find it insidious that you apply the RelativelyJones May 2019 #130
So... ehrnst May 2019 #147
It doesn't sound like you understand that you have been called out ehrnst May 2019 #151
Got it. You don't have any real evidence for calling her compromised. RelativelyJones May 2019 #122
Nope. Just insults for anyone who dares to point out the inconsistencies ehrnst May 2019 #148
So you don't think that she doesn't get ehrnst May 2019 #145
+1000 RelativelyJones May 2019 #149
Between 2 and 7.52 billion other people of the 7.53 billion on the planet coti May 2019 #108
All of them "say" that we won in 2018 "despite" Pelosi? ehrnst May 2019 #154
Yep mcar May 2019 #157
She raised gobs of money for those campaigns mcar May 2019 #156
But that just can't be!! She "takes the path of least resistance" ehrnst May 2019 #158
Makes me so angry, ehrnst mcar May 2019 #252
And she's SO concerned that he won't go to jail shanny May 2019 #65
"she doesn't want to use the only tools available to her to save American democracy?" ehrnst May 2019 #109
I agree with you. live love laugh May 2019 #242
senate exoneration has NOTHING to do with any charges later, ask Bill Clinton beachbum bob May 2019 #69
The OP doesn't provide a link, so we don't really know if that's a valid ehrnst May 2019 #90
Coming up with reasons after deciding on the path of least resistance nt coti May 2019 #71
When did Pelosi say that she is choosing "the path of least resistance?" (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #74
She didn't say that, I said that. Obviously. coti May 2019 #75
I would love to be able to read minds. ehrnst May 2019 #77
You could try just reading posts coti May 2019 #82
Let's unpack this. ehrnst May 2019 #85
Does Trump say "I am acting with corrupt intent" when he obstructs justice? coti May 2019 #94
So you rely on mind reading. ehrnst May 2019 #113
"You need to work on your critical thinking skills"? George II May 2019 #167
Somebody is very, very, very put out ehrnst May 2019 #175
ooh...ooh....tell me.. stillcool May 2019 #211
Fallacy of false alternative, "bases"[sic] instead of "basis", AND the fallacy of alleged certainty. lapucelle May 2019 #256
Small correction. Bases, in this context... TCJ70 Jun 2019 #281
Your point is well taken, so let me amend. lapucelle Jun 2019 #282
.... ehrnst Jun 2019 #287
heh RoadMan May 2019 #124
... ehrnst May 2019 #144
As long as you have your coffee at hand, might as well partake of some doughnuts: George II May 2019 #269
Pelosi knows what she is doing. She will open an impreachment inquiry when more Reps in RelativelyJones May 2019 #84
Yes, Pelosi sees the momentum building... it's just a matter of time now!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #169
Can you post a link - because I think you misunderstood what she said. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #87
Post #196 has the quote. live love laugh May 2019 #246
and if we don't impeach...that will basically free him from further prosecution down the road. spanone May 2019 #91
Huh? Impeachment is a political process, I thought. ego_nation May 2019 #99
impeachment on a particular set of impeachable charges doesn't negated crimianl charges later OR beachbum bob May 2019 #110
Video: See about 7:09 or so CousinIT May 2019 #101
it is best to start it at around 6:40 to get the full context Celerity May 2019 #115
We also don't want pence to have a clear path to the presidency in 2020. dubyadiprecession May 2019 #133
The only ironclad case that will get the GOP Senate's attention is one where the base turns on them. Thomas Hurt May 2019 #137
As it is now, it's hard to imagine a jury that will convict trump. Add failure in Senate, Hoyt May 2019 #138
False, defeatist statement from Dems leader- now is the time for courage! Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #141
I think Pelosi will come through... momentum for impeachment is building, just a matter of time now. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #171
She's been coming through for years, and continues to. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #177
they need to get dirt on McConnell bdamomma May 2019 #150
Even an ironclad case would not change @GOP minds-they will stick with bigot Trump. IMHO riversedge May 2019 #176
And you can only get that ironclad case now via Congress performing impeachment investigations! KPN May 2019 #181
So how do we determine when the time is right?? Mitch will whisper in Nancy's ear? honest.abe May 2019 #185
Nancy is slowly inching towards starting impeachment proceedings... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #216
IANAL, but the Constitution explicitly authorizes prosecution even if impeached. Tactical Peek May 2019 #195
I am disappointed in these statements from Pelosi Blecht May 2019 #196
Impeachment is not a criminal proceeding and double jeopardy isn't applicable (n/t) Spider Jerusalem May 2019 #200
Huh? Proud Liberal Dem May 2019 #210
No it won't. Was she suggesting the Senate vote would be res judicata?? SunSeeker May 2019 #212
There is none. Snackshack May 2019 #234
I totally agree. But why do you think there will be a failure to impeach? SunSeeker May 2019 #247
Yes... Snackshack May 2019 #258
There's plenty of evidence. Lunabell May 2019 #226
i agree.. i want a paper trail..phone calls..emails..linking him to high crimes... samnsara May 2019 #237
This is 100% incorrect NewJeffCT May 2019 #238
Link? FiveGoodMen May 2019 #254
Here's one - Obama US attorney Joyce Vance NewJeffCT May 2019 #263
Here is Ross Garber, a leading expert on Impeachment NewJeffCT May 2019 #264
Ian Millhiser NewJeffCT May 2019 #265
another link NewJeffCT May 2019 #266
A thorough debunking BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #274
That doesn't seem like a true statement in the least. Gore1FL May 2019 #244
Um I'm pretty sure that impeachment is not Voltaire2 May 2019 #248
That's not quite what she said StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #283
Does what those dirty assholes in the Senate do REALLY carry any weight with anyone? BlueStater Jun 2019 #285
Her name should be Nancy Sinatra because she's gonna do it her way gldstwmn Jun 2019 #286
She didn't say that StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #289
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