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wiggs

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32. the obstruction case is easy and clear, but won't rally gop senators to convict. Perhaps dems are
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:51 PM
May 2019

collecting evidence on Volume 1...collusion and collusive crimes. That's where the most damaging findings will be. A ton of publicly available evidence of collusion is already known...but findings of the referrals and counterintelligence investigations have to be funneled to congress and the public.

Dems shouldn't proceed with just obstruction as the case for impeachment. There's a lot worse that shouldn't be left behind.

If we had both House and Senate in serious numbers I'd say proceed with any of the dozens of valid pathways to impeachment ASAP. But as it stands we need to make a super strong case that potus is corrupt, compromised, and dangerous so that as much of the public and congressional gop see the truth as is possible. After that, we've done all we can and the congressional vote and the 2020 vote will be what it is. But we shouldn't go forward with just a fraction of what the overall case could be.

Just hurry up and finish the counterintelligence and collusive crimes parts and then move forward as indicated.

So let me get this straight [View all] berni_mccoy May 2019 OP
makes no sense bdamomma May 2019 #1
I don't believe the Dem leadership said any of that today Hekate May 2019 #2
Is Nadler opening impeachment hearing? berni_mccoy May 2019 #4
So everything's on the table. Mr. Evil May 2019 #39
No, none of that was said today, but what we DID learn today is Mueller is Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #5
Why would Mueller stick his neck out when the Democratic leadership berni_mccoy May 2019 #7
No sticking necks involved, he has to testify like ALL previous investigators Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #10
If there is no impeachment hearings he won't. berni_mccoy May 2019 #12
Impeachment hearings Nuggets May 2019 #27
So just give up then. berni_mccoy May 2019 #28
No Nuggets May 2019 #49
WRONG! Impeachment is morally required regardless of outcome berni_mccoy May 2019 #50
Impeaching him now would allow him to get Nuggets May 2019 #63
Not impeaching him actually allows him to get away with it berni_mccoy May 2019 #64
Baloney Nuggets May 2019 #66
Let me translate his statement: "I gave you everything in writing. Congress, do your job." ... Hekate May 2019 #8
Hell no, we need to ask MANY questions, was he shut down prematurely, etc. Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #9
Ken Starr, iirc, did not testify. Did he? You're not listening to Mueller or reading what he wrote. Hekate May 2019 #14
yes Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #15
You just made Hekate's point. nt fleabiscuit May 2019 #67
No, he said Starr did not testify, I linked to prove the opposite. Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #68
Pretty much EffieBlack May 2019 #17
I admire your stamina! lunatica May 2019 #25
The poster is wrong . Ken Starr did testify. He was also always on the news. nt Autumn May 2019 #43
Well unless you have the miraculous ability to see the future lunatica May 2019 #46
i speculated on nothing. A poster claimed Ken Starr didn't testify. I point out that they were wrong Autumn May 2019 #48
There's still hope for you lunatica May 2019 #56
I don't need hope, my hair isn't on fire, not throwing a fit. Just posting the facts. Unlike some. Autumn May 2019 #57
No, you're posting your favorite facts lunatica May 2019 #60
My favorite facts? Ken Starr did testify ,he was also always on the news. Dispute those facts or Autumn May 2019 #61
Well said. guillaumeb May 2019 #26
Congress doesn't have everything Mueller reported. Mr.Bill May 2019 #29
The relevant committees are entitled to all of it, & as it is their job to get it, they are working Hekate May 2019 #40
oh, and we can't impeach because it might affect the 2020 election! Skittles May 2019 #3
AND we need to win by large margins or Trump will contest the election. Baitball Blogger May 2019 #13
But only with a center left mainstream candidate BeyondGeography May 2019 #53
IKR?! Waiting for that "Ironclad Case"... that's the story now. berni_mccoy May 2019 #58
so., since the party we all voted for has given up now that they have new ammo... world wide wally May 2019 #6
Go ahead and give up. Go for it. Claritie Pixie May 2019 #19
They lead by example... Personally I say impeach the asshole world wide wally May 2019 #23
Then call and tell them that. You'll feel better. Claritie Pixie May 2019 #24
You'd think with new ammo and Bettie May 2019 #34
They're getting ready any minute now world wide wally May 2019 #44
Nonsense mcar May 2019 #47
Not at all, they're INVESTIGATING, elleng May 2019 #11
Can be done under the auspice of Impeachment HEARINGS berni_mccoy May 2019 #18
CAN be, but not necessary to FORMALLY head in that direction, elleng May 2019 #20
What is more inflammatory than what's already been done? For fuck's sakes. berni_mccoy May 2019 #22
the obstruction case is easy and clear, but won't rally gop senators to convict. Perhaps dems are wiggs May 2019 #32
Works for me.Respect for Law, getting the UNredacted report requires adult delay of gratification. ancianita May 2019 #37
i would think the intelligence community, without formal help, is working Kurt V. May 2019 #16
We all would like to think that, elleng May 2019 #21
"It's too soon to consider impeachment of course." progressoid May 2019 #30
That would be funny Bettie May 2019 #35
Where did you get the information? And what about Republicans? live love laugh May 2019 #31
What's the point in voting? Jvp May 2019 #33
You know, often things aren't as dark as they seem at any given moment. PatrickforO May 2019 #62
im the same age and sometimes i want to give up as well but then i see.. samnsara May 2019 #65
You didn't get it straight. The process of Law is going forward, and Congress is NOT leaving ancianita May 2019 #36
It's all about timing, including investigations in other committees... CaptainTruth May 2019 #38
A saying from football coach John Madden comes to mind: Mr.Bill May 2019 #41
If all they are going to do is lead by poll numbers, I need a new party to vote for. world wide wally May 2019 #45
Maybe the plan is to kick this off a bit close to elections??? Chakaconcarne May 2019 #42
Where did you get that? That isn't what they said. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #51
Isn't what who said? Are we impeaching Trump? berni_mccoy May 2019 #52
Who's "we"? The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #54
I'll stand corrected when the impeachment hearings begin berni_mccoy May 2019 #55
****************************************THIS !!!!************************************* uponit7771 May 2019 #59
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