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Maven

(10,533 posts)
113. So you always defer to those with more experience?
Thu May 16, 2019, 12:50 PM
May 2019

You never question their judgment?

I've never been in Congress, it's true, and I certainly don't have the legislative experience that Speaker Pelosi has. I don't claim to. If these were normal times and we had a Democratic president (or even a Republican who was not a malevolent demagogue) and the Senate were still functioning as a legislative body, there would be no one better to set an agenda and no one more effective at pushing it through than she. These are not normal times. The notion that we can avoid "dividing the country" and focus on a policy agenda with the expectation that business as usual will resume after Trump is defeated in 2020 simply ignores reality. In fact, it is borderline delusional. It is also bewildering and demoralizing to the Democratic base that propelled the party to victories in 2018. That is dangerous in a number of ways.

Agree Nancy has the big plan. mainstreetonce May 2019 #1
When are folks DownriverDem May 2019 #254
If she's thinking the same way I am... backscatter712 May 2019 #299
Pelosi and Her Team are Masterful, as Republicans Will Soon Learn dlk May 2019 #2
dont mess with Nancy! samnsara May 2019 #3
rump is going to grab impeachment by the pussy and he's going to think he's getting away with it. UniteFightBack May 2019 #4
LOL StarfishSaver May 2019 #5
Mental Picture Of The Day - Thank You! (n/t) corbettkroehler May 2019 #239
yes and no. mopinko May 2019 #6
yes and no... Raster May 2019 #14
Explain how starting impeachment Nuggets May 2019 #26
Impeachment will open the magical door into a room full of gold StarfishSaver May 2019 #30
Btw. Welcome to DU !! Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #243
... Raster May 2019 #32
Get real! Nuggets May 2019 #34
any judge that would split that hair mopinko May 2019 #44
The requests for information would still end up in court mcar May 2019 #99
Yes, the probably would still end up in court... Raster May 2019 #105
I don't trust this Supreme Court mcar May 2019 #110
If you listen to/read the legal experts who say impeachment could impact court action StarfishSaver May 2019 #117
Can you provide some examples of this "prevailing legal opinion" you say exists? (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #183
Perfectly explained StarfishSaver May 2019 #18
To be fair, The Mueller Report is a best seller. gldstwmn May 2019 #63
Sure StarfishSaver May 2019 #67
Over 40 years of working with arrogant men I have found they really are dense. redstatebluegirl May 2019 #7
Agree!! Thx for sharing Thekaspervote May 2019 #8
I totally disagree with the entire thread. watoos May 2019 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2019 #11
+1mil JackInGreen May 2019 #12
she has no intention zipplewrath May 2019 #16
You read minds now? ehrnst May 2019 #19
She's virtually stated as such zipplewrath May 2019 #72
What she's "literally" stated.: ehrnst May 2019 #82
That time zipplewrath May 2019 #86
And the situation changes daily doesn't it? ehrnst May 2019 #143
No zipplewrath May 2019 #195
No, Trump wasn't impeachable at any point that the GOP had congress... ehrnst May 2019 #208
Huh? zipplewrath May 2019 #211
Huh? ehrnst May 2019 #250
if impeachment was off the table for starting a war based on lies Skittles May 2019 #141
So you think that she's lying when she says impeachment isn't off the table for DT? ehrnst May 2019 #175
we are WAY past already "there" Skittles May 2019 #188
Past what? ehrnst May 2019 #210
I hope that isn't true, watoos May 2019 #20
If they're only looking at impeachment politically and they aren't holding their oath of office tymorial May 2019 #252
They're not EffieBlack May 2019 #253
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2019 #21
+1, they don't understand the level of threat of Russian hacking or whistling past the grave yard uponit7771 May 2019 #52
Who's "they"? The House Democrats? StarfishSaver May 2019 #54
What if you are dead wrong about Pelosi? ehrnst May 2019 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 May 2019 #51
You have no idea that she's ignoring anything StarfishSaver May 2019 #61
Links to support this contention? mcar May 2019 #114
So you're accusing Pelosi of being a traitor as well, now? ehrnst May 2019 #123
What's magical about September? StarfishSaver May 2019 #17
I'm with you on impeachment RVN VET71 May 2019 #37
Why do we have only until September? boston bean May 2019 #38
because then the hue and cry will be against any actions in an "election year" Grasswire2 May 2019 #129
Oh so political considerations start in September only? boston bean May 2019 #165
The heat increases then. Grasswire2 May 2019 #193
K&R, except that "we win" 2020 elections ... will NOT be more free and fair than 2016 uponit7771 May 2019 #50
So, you would just cut the Gordian Knot? WhiteTara May 2019 #56
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU StarfishSaver May 2019 #60
+1000000 brer cat May 2019 #238
ahhh WhiteTara May 2019 #242
agree with you watoos Grasswire2 May 2019 #84
amen UT_democrat May 2019 #186
+1. If junior testifies it's because Daddy said he Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #244
There's playing Rope-a-Dope... Dave Starsky May 2019 #10
One of the key elements of Rope-a-Dope StarfishSaver May 2019 #15
Rope-a-Dope implies that you have a strategy. Dave Starsky May 2019 #25
Or StarfishSaver May 2019 #28
Ha ha. The Republicans AREN'T exhausting. Dave Starsky May 2019 #49
Yes, like overtunruning Roe v. Wade and gldstwmn May 2019 #73
So you blame Democratic leaders for 'causing' what the GOP is doing? ehrnst May 2019 #94
So you don't think that our Democratic leaders have a strategy? (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #93
I didn't say that they don't. Dave Starsky May 2019 #245
So you have your doubts. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #246
Sometimes the wisest strategy is not to advertise one's strategy. ehrnst May 2019 #275
Duh EffieBlack May 2019 #279
.... ehrnst May 2019 #280
Great point StarfishSaver May 2019 #281
hopefully never, or not until it's too late Maine-i-acs May 2019 #13
Give me a fucking break. This is nonsense. manor321 May 2019 #22
I guess you would know StarfishSaver May 2019 #24
One thing that I have observed sweetapogee May 2019 #27
Are you saying that she lied when she stated that she would impeach with ehrnst May 2019 #68
Using the words "arrogant men" is pretty darn divisive isn't it? watoos May 2019 #23
Re-read my OP StarfishSaver May 2019 #29
I apologize. watoos May 2019 #33
Thanks. StarfishSaver May 2019 #47
Nah, Don't Apologize. What's Sauce for the Goose is Sauce for the Gander. jayfish May 2019 #79
Arrogant men impose laws forcing women to give birth with no male responsibility . we can do it May 2019 #104
Uhhh huh. jayfish May 2019 #106
She's the governor. She didn't make the law, the men in the legislature did. Demit May 2019 #191
WHAT! jayfish May 2019 #200
End of Day? Yes, I guess it is, it's almost 4pm here. Demit May 2019 #218
of course getting rid of trump is our first priority not_the_one May 2019 #31
I want to get the entire Mueller report watoos May 2019 #35
+1 This Brawndo May 2019 #90
She was being bashed all over here yesterday for not reacting to Barr's "handcuffs" comment.... George II May 2019 #36
+1000. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #39
This is fantasy, and dangerous. coti May 2019 #40
"Stop self-soothing with unreality and start standing up for our democracy" Maven May 2019 #45
I'll ask you the same question StarfishSaver May 2019 #55
This is a discussion board Maven May 2019 #81
So you agree that Starfishsaver has just as much a right to discuss as you. ehrnst May 2019 #92
When did I say that Starfishsaver has no right to discuss? Maven May 2019 #101
Strawman... ehrnst May 2019 #107
Please. The implication of your statement was clear. Maven May 2019 #116
I just don't defend the straw men you keep producing. ehrnst May 2019 #122
Exactly! Nevermypresident May 2019 #224
In what way is Dem leadership "refusing to stand up for democracy" ehrnst May 2019 #74
My qualifications? Maven May 2019 #96
I didn't say that you couldn't comment. ehrnst May 2019 #100
So you always defer to those with more experience? Maven May 2019 #113
Not just more experience - a good track record and continued confidence ehrnst May 2019 #119
You should reevaluate your use of "straw men" because it does not mean what you think it does. Maven May 2019 #130
Yeah, when you said "We're done here" I knew you weren't... ehrnst May 2019 #135
Oh, we are done having a substantive discussion. Maven May 2019 #137
"We're done here" yet again? ehrnst May 2019 #148
LOL! Maven May 2019 #151
"I know you are but what am I?" ehrnst May 2019 #155
I think it's time for Starfish Saver to present qualifications. Grasswire2 May 2019 #115
Careful... asking for qualifications is a "cheap tactic to delegitimize someone else's opinion ehrnst May 2019 #126
See above. Grasswire2 May 2019 #133
Demeaning? By not agreeing with people? ehrnst May 2019 #145
Phooey. Grasswire2 May 2019 #152
I think that people are a bit sensitive. ehrnst May 2019 #158
come back when you're feeling better, then. nt Grasswire2 May 2019 #160
"I know you are but what am I?" ehrnst May 2019 #162
Not When the Person Being Asked... jayfish May 2019 #134
Who is "using them as a cudgel?" (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #146
You're not arguing very honestly, here. nt coti May 2019 #170
I guess that's one way to avoid admitting you can't answer the question. ehrnst May 2019 #173
Do you even realize you're talking to two different people? nt coti May 2019 #177
You replied to me, and you didn't answer the question that I had asked of the other poster. ehrnst May 2019 #180
"Stop self-soothing with unreality and start standing up for our democracy." StarfishSaver May 2019 #53
What exactly is Pelosi "fucking up?" ehrnst May 2019 #70
Yeah, I've always been flabbergasted that Hortensis May 2019 #80
LOL, great analogies. Also, those people sailing boats who do that silly thing called "tacking"! Demit May 2019 #226
Oh, very good example! Attention-seeking Hortensis May 2019 #229
+1000 CaptainTruth May 2019 #41
Wish I could rec a reply wryter2000 May 2019 #65
+1000. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #149
Hear, hear. Demit May 2019 #194
How'd the game of rope-a-dope go after GWB lied us into a war? Maven May 2019 #42
Impeachment hasn't been taken off the table. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #97
Post removed Post removed May 2019 #43
I think the first week of July would be perfect to open an impeachment inquiry Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #46
Given how many times I've heard variations on this story, on so many subjects mr_lebowski May 2019 #48
Agree. Also, I don't have blind faith in anyone. Nevermypresident May 2019 #62
Acknowledging when someone has far greater experience and expertise than you do ehrnst May 2019 #66
Yes. StarfishSaver May 2019 #78
Anyone can make mistakes, even those with experience and expertise. So, again I don't have blind Nevermypresident May 2019 #223
Attack those straw men... ehrnst May 2019 #249
+1, trust but verify uponit7771 May 2019 #71
What do you mean, "verify?" ehrnst May 2019 #109
No, verify she's wearing pink shoes on Tuesday :rolleyes: uponit7771 May 2019 #153
Not going to answer? ehrnst May 2019 #156
Also my first thought- Claiming "Rope-A-Dope/11-Dimensional Chess" shows lack of experience, to not coti May 2019 #64
I am quite confident I have more experience at this than you do StarfishSaver May 2019 #75
we have little data to show how you roll...less than a month here. Grasswire2 May 2019 #88
Fronting and misplaced "confidence" is yet another sign of inexperience. coti May 2019 #102
Because you say so? ehrnst May 2019 #121
Uh, no, I'm not the one claiming some kind of holy authority here. coti May 2019 #125
What you're actually doing is relating your opinion. ehrnst May 2019 #128
No, I made a claim of empirical fact, that almost all of the hundreds of times we've seen coti May 2019 #132
But you can't seem to provide any examples of this. ehrnst May 2019 #159
I already said you can disagree with my factual assessment if you like. Do you? coti May 2019 #163
So you can't provide any factual examples to back up your opinion. ehrnst May 2019 #167
So you don't actually disagree. Why didn't you just say so? coti May 2019 #169
No, I didn't say I agreed. I asked for examples, and you haven't been able to ehrnst May 2019 #171
I didn't say you agreed, either, just that you didn't disagree. Works for me. coti May 2019 #176
Straw man. But I guess that's easier that actually backing up your ehrnst May 2019 #178
Straw man- coti May 2019 #184
And you still have nothing to back up your claim... only evasions like ehrnst May 2019 #187
You've said nothing substantive at all for 50+ posts. You are the epitome of the pointless arguer. coti May 2019 #189
If it was "pointless anger" it sure kept you coming back for more, didn't it? ehrnst May 2019 #209
What is your specific experience that entitles you to overrule others' opinions? Maven May 2019 #120
Careful about "asking for qualifications" ehrnst May 2019 #131
Excuse me? I'm not the one who put up my "life and career" and greater "experience" Maven May 2019 #136
So you didn't say that about asking for qualifications? ehrnst May 2019 #138
I quoted the person I was responding to. Maven May 2019 #139
The person you responded to when you said that was me... ehrnst May 2019 #144
WTF are you even talking about? Maven May 2019 #147
Oh, the person you were trashing as not having valid POV because they ehrnst May 2019 #154
You won't find one without the other Rambling Man May 2019 #228
"the go-to for those trying to blow smoke up their own ass." ehrnst May 2019 #77
heh nt Grasswire2 May 2019 #89
K&R wryter2000 May 2019 #57
This is exactly what I've been saying. patphil May 2019 #58
+1 oasis May 2019 #112
Pelosi is wrong not to move strongly into impeachment ASAP PufPuf23 May 2019 #69
I agree with your assessment Generic Other May 2019 #76
What makes you say that Democrats aren't "mounting a defense?" (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #85
The open taunting by Barr of Pelosi Generic Other May 2019 #91
yes and don't apologize Grasswire2 May 2019 #118
So the GOP "mocking" Pelosi means that we are "neutralized." ehrnst May 2019 #265
"A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons." StarfishSaver May 2019 #140
Pelosi lost 68 seats in the House then. Grasswire2 May 2019 #103
Reasonable plan of action if you ask me Generic Other May 2019 #111
Was she chair of the DCCC then? I missed that. ehrnst May 2019 #166
How did this work out for the party? Grasswire2 May 2019 #196
So you're going to ignore Pelosi's actions in 2018 and 2019 to ehrnst May 2019 #207
ridiculous Grasswire2 May 2019 #215
And so was Paul Wellstone.... Grasswire2 May 2019 #217
Paul Wellstone was called an "establishment sellout" before he died by the . ehrnst May 2019 #221
Wellstone was WORSHIPPED on this board, I was there. nt coti May 2019 #225
I'm talking about other self-identifying "progressives." ehrnst May 2019 #258
You are evading giving her credit for the 2018 Blue Wave ehrnst May 2019 #219
2018 and 2019 are even more recent prologue... ehrnst May 2019 #247
No different than those who claim Dems have been failures EffieBlack May 2019 #237
its not off the table.. and if we move forward now..and lose..what recourse do we have? samnsara May 2019 #150
the window is closing daily Grasswire2 May 2019 #157
Pelosi was chosen by her peers to do her job. ehrnst May 2019 #164
Hope you're right matt819 May 2019 #83
Not sure what Pelosi had to do with the Mueller report. ehrnst May 2019 #95
As long as they don't invade Poland we'll be fine BeyondGeography May 2019 #87
Nailed it nt coti May 2019 #108
+1939 Maven May 2019 #124
Well said mcar May 2019 #98
From possible impeachment to enabling Fullduplexxx May 2019 #127
Who is enabling what? (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #182
Well, considering how stupid they are... WinstonSmith4740 May 2019 #142
she never impeached bush for fake war. just saying Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #161
And? (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #168
Ergo, clue that it might not happen in the future? Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #172
Why? Different POTUS, different situation from decades ago. ehrnst May 2019 #174
Maybe just to appease those who are calling for Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #201
So you think she's lying? (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #206
No she avoids it by saying never off the table but in reality Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #220
Isn't that the defintion of lying? (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #222
Why don't you tell me why you think she has impeachment Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #227
Her own words ehrnst May 2019 #251
Wednesday Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #255
So no, you don't have any evidence that she has taken impeachment off the table. ehrnst May 2019 #256
To you only. Follow #impeach #impeachnow and #resist Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #260
Still got nothing? You think she said something that she didn't ehrnst May 2019 #261
Thanks for telling me how I feel!!! Never knew how I felt Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #277
Let's unpack this. ehrnst May 2019 #278
Good for you. Can't wait until he's held accountable!!! Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #295
So, like I asked the RWers who said the very same about Obama "not being held accountable" ehrnst May 2019 #296
What do you think Obama did to be "held accountable" for? Crunchy Frog May 2019 #303
Why are you asking me this? ehrnst May 2019 #304
No answer? ehrnst May 2019 #305
Dubya was president "decades" ago, huh? Rambling Man May 2019 #262
2006 was over a decade ago. ehrnst May 2019 #263
2006 was not decades ago Rambling Man May 2019 #264
And yet another relevant rebuttal. ehrnst May 2019 #266
catch any sealions with that hook? are you admitting to "trolling?" Rambling Man May 2019 #269
Project much, dear? ehrnst May 2019 #270
oooh . . . "that's what you are, what am I?" Rambling Man May 2019 #271
After you, dear. ehrnst May 2019 #272
You're dealing with the deliberately obtuse, LPMAD nt coti May 2019 #179
Is that Glass House comfortable? ehrnst May 2019 #181
It's called Sea-lioning. SixString May 2019 #192
+1 Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #202
It's very easy to tell when someone is acting in bad faith Rambling Man May 2019 #267
Indeed. ehrnst May 2019 #276
+1 Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #203
What does one call constantly coming back to reply? ehrnst May 2019 #212
Discussing? zipplewrath May 2019 #213
But I was referred to as a troll. Didn't you read the post I was responding to? ehrnst May 2019 #216
Patient? zipplewrath May 2019 #230
Humiliated? ehrnst May 2019 #248
point of order: No war is fake if people are dying. Grasswire2 May 2019 #198
I'll be holding my breath. UT_democrat May 2019 #185
I lulz'd KG May 2019 #190
The blind faith of the Dem Leadership by some of the members here is remarkable. briv1016 May 2019 #197
Lucy. Charlie Brown. Football. nt Grasswire2 May 2019 #199
What's remarkable is how the strawman being pushed that acknowledging that Speaker Pelosi ehrnst May 2019 #282
There is no real plan except to hope enough voters turn out to reverse this nightmare Freethinker65 May 2019 #204
Your know there's no plan? StarfishSaver May 2019 #231
Are you a mind reader? Or do you just assume that Speaker Pelosi ehrnst May 2019 #284
Never said she was incompetent. My opinion that there is NO plan is as valid as the OPs Freethinker65 May 2019 #288
Actually, you said she had NO plan ehrnst May 2019 #290
Provoke. Dare. Freethinker65 May 2019 #291
Really? You think that's what the House Speaker is supposed to do? Dare him? ehrnst May 2019 #292
Nope. The Speaker is not omnipotent. Freethinker65 May 2019 #293
I can see what you wrote in your posts. ehrnst May 2019 #297
As I can see what you write in your posts, to myself and others, that have opinions that differ Freethinker65 May 2019 #298
More than I can talk about on DU. ehrnst May 2019 #300
Just like Mueller played rope-a-dope for two and a half years. egduj May 2019 #205
In what way did Mueller "play rope-a-dope?" ehrnst May 2019 #214
If he meant for us to impeach with his findings Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #233
I can't help but notice EffieBlack May 2019 #232
I agree, StarfishSaver. Nitram May 2019 #234
Pretty much never, because she's not. Captain Stern May 2019 #235
Rope-a-dope took an incredible physical toll on Ali. BlueWI May 2019 #236
Keep the hope alive, but I will believe it when I see it Perseus May 2019 #240
ANSWER: When DFT is taken away in chains RainCaster May 2019 #241
I'm not so sure. Mike Niendorff May 2019 #257
I have no doubt the Speaker of the House has a plan StarfishSaver May 2019 #259
I don't think that she's been reelected by her peers so many times because she's ehrnst May 2019 #268
Like little kids who close their eyes and think you can't see them EffieBlack May 2019 #273
Perhaps if one has a plan, one is wise not to broadcast it. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #274
I hope to hell you're right. Paladin May 2019 #283
What do you think would be happening in an impeachment inquiry StarfishSaver May 2019 #285
Before Nixon's hearings started, 30% of the public favored impeachment. Paladin May 2019 #287
Not quite StarfishSaver May 2019 #294
When will Pelosi (and the rest of the Dems) azureblue May 2019 #286
I'm quite sure that Pelosi fully realizes everything she needs to realize StarfishSaver May 2019 #289
That is a very sanguine... Snackshack May 2019 #301
Pelosi and the Democrats ARE taking action StarfishSaver May 2019 #302
Kick because Speaker Pelosi proved my point again today StarfishSaver May 2019 #306
Kicking! EffieBlack May 2019 #307
Kick ... StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #308
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