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In reply to the discussion: Obama Had a Green New Deal, and It Worked. Let's Do That Again. [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)24. The data exists, but you just can't share it?
Gotcha.
And no, "reducing the acceleration" is not "slowing down". In fact it is the exact opposite of that. If you are still accelerating, you are still going faster. You have to DEcelerate in order to "slow down".
I remember hearing similar from RWers when their came an announcement during the Obama administration that the recession was over, and they howled that they weren't seeing it in their paycheck. Telling them that recession had a specific meaning was lost on them.
Global warming didn't appear overnight, and it will not disappear overnight. Apprently you didn't read all the way through:
No, nothing is going to be enough even eliminating all greenhouse gasses tomorrow would leave the planet dangerously overheated.
But the Green New Deal is nowhere close to overcoming either the technocratic challenge of designing workable policies to fulfill its grand designs, or the political challenge of enacting them.
Your view is that any plan acceptable to you would have to do those things (which you seem to think that this Green New Deal is capable of - when you can't even find data to back up your claims about the efficacy of previous efforts) and anything that accomplished less would be "wasting time." And that it's EITHER solve it ENTIRELY (not really possible), or give up ENTIRELY, only working on adjusting to the changes that are coming.
In your straw man argument that "nostalgia" is what looking at what Obama did before, you clearly missed this part of the article...
A scaled-up version of Obamas model, by contrast, is workable. Democrats might have to alter the rules for what kinds of spending the Senate allows to pass with 50 votes to allow for green energy subsidies. That will be a hard task when the 50th Senate vote comes from a red state, but not as hard as getting that 50th vote to approve a revolutionary overhaul of the entire economy. Its not impossible to imagine a Joe Manchin or a Kyrsten Sinema approving a bill to deploy lots of new green energy infrastructure if it included enough investment for their states.
I highly recommend reading the article before refuting it.
Let us know when you find that data concerning the "lack of efficacy" of the Obama administration policies.
I doubt that it will be any more forthcoming than the 'proof' that Obama 'made the economy worse than it would have been had he done nothing' that I heard from my RWers on social media.
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So tell us what would have "created the kind of reversals that were and are needed"
ehrnst
May 2019
#4
Actually, many things Obama did worked. Did you read the article at all before responding?
ehrnst
May 2019
#7
"Because working on a politically achievable policy that isn't a solution is a waste of time. "
ehrnst
May 2019
#37
Legislation requires more specificity as to what is mean by pursuing those goals.
ehrnst
May 2019
#11
He wanted it to get the floor so they could vote it down without hearings.
marylandblue
May 2019
#14
Yup, doing "something" that won't make a noticeable difference is worse than nothing.
marylandblue
May 2019
#23
How do we know that this one isn't, to use that suddenly taboo word, "moderate"? We know nothing....
George II
May 2019
#25
If they are not pursuing "IMPEACHMENT" at full volume 24/7 then they get trashed for not
ehrnst
May 2019
#30
Thanks for the info. I am glad there is some movement, and I'll read the bill later.
marylandblue
May 2019
#31
Thanks. Not getting the attention it deserves, even among us political junkies on DU.
marylandblue
May 2019
#33
He had a good healthcare plan, as a starter, excellent comprehensive immigration reform plan,
emmaverybo
May 2019
#27