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Kaleva

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82. I don't think there's a jurisdiction in the country that considers a razor to be a deadly weapon

Sun May 12, 2019, 07:26 PM

May 2019

Upon arrival the police officer was friendly towards the girl and did not have his weapon drawn. As for oyur second point, it's possible he may have had the time to her verbally other then a repeated directive to drop the weapon.

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Police shoot 17 year old girl armed with knife [View all] ansible May 2019 OP

Making my argument for non-lethal force options as mandatory ASAP pretty easy! Brainfodder May 2019 #1

Apparently non lethal force was considered. ... spin May 2019 #7

Not good enough. Brainfodder May 2019 #17

Are you saying the 1st responder ought to always have in hand a shotgun? Kaleva May 2019 #19

I never mentioned a shotgun. Brainfodder May 2019 #34

Police in Michigan have net guns that entrap suspects. zackymilly May 2019 #37

That sounds good! Brainfodder May 2019 #40

It appears that the Saginaw County Sheriff's Department has two net guns Kaleva May 2019 #51

Tazers are not always reliable. ... spin May 2019 #46

Michigan law Kaleva May 2019 #24

Knife is a lethal weapon. LisaL May 2019 #18

The option being available, yes. Brainfodder May 2019 #47

"Don't reach for it, put it down, sit here on the curb." Way to start it off clear, genius. WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #2

Why is a simple, logical request a shitshow? bitterross May 2019 #52

Because it was three simple, logical requests in a row, leading to confusion, and then instead of WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #62

+1000 nt Nuggets May 2019 #68

Did he ever ask why she wanted him to shoot her? uppityperson May 2019 #3

If you're approaching me with a knife Jake Stern May 2019 #9

Bullshit SCantiGOP May 2019 #28

Post removed Post removed May 2019 #32

Try an experiment. MicaelS May 2019 #42

This is a ridiculous argument Nuggets May 2019 #71

If you like... ahoysrcsm May 2019 #54

He had time at the beginning to get her to engage verbally but chose to just make commands uppityperson May 2019 #48

Right and either way Nuggets May 2019 #78

Baloney that's EXACTLY how you start. Nuggets May 2019 #70

Surely they can make sure those in mental institutions treestar May 2019 #100

Mental patients make weapons Nuggets May 2019 #110

Everyday Joes are even less likely to be trained to deal with something like this treestar May 2019 #112

He is a grown man basically shooting a mentally ill kid womanofthehills May 2019 #89

You watch too many movies. NutmegYankee May 2019 #116

Police are NOT mental health professionals Rambling Man May 2019 #67

Some try to de-escalate, others don't. They need more training in how to do so. uppityperson May 2019 #74

a police Rambling Man May 2019 #75

She is obviously a depressed child. Why would shooting her be an option? Glimmer of Hope May 2019 #4

I wonder what is your preferred option? dumbcat May 2019 #14

She charged him, after he backed up several yards. Baitball Blogger May 2019 #25

why couldnt he shoot her in the knee? samnsara May 2019 #27

She got shot three times, once in the leg (thigh area) LisaL May 2019 #30

Hello, he could have shot up into the air or the ground first to scare her womanofthehills May 2019 #92

no it wouldn't, gejohnston May 2019 #95

Uncle Donut..... Fla_Democrat May 2019 #43

Because that's fantasy when adrenaline is flowing Polybius May 2019 #61

Because life isn't an action movie? Rambling Man May 2019 #66

I'd call it a clear example of attempted suicide by cop. Dale Neiburg May 2019 #5

Don't see anything wrong with this shooting. Jake Stern May 2019 #6

I agree. pintobean May 2019 #8

Despite the common belief on DU that all police shootings are bad Jake Stern May 2019 #13

I back the cop as well. Baitball Blogger May 2019 #26

The cop here did nothing wrong. Drahthaardogs May 2019 #65

the cop did a lot wrong womanofthehills May 2019 #90

Surely you don't mean ... Straw Man May 2019 #96

21 feet (7 yards) is the rule dumbcat May 2019 #10

Looks close to that. Igel May 2019 #20

Yes. And if not stopped, at least one officer down, and who else? Another officer, a civilian? emmaverybo May 2019 #29

I completly back the cop in this one. bitterross May 2019 #53

Innocent, yes. Optimal, no. It will be nice when we can work on "optimal". lostnfound May 2019 #56

I can be very critical of police, but I think this was reasonable. NutmegYankee May 2019 #11

Appears to me that the cop did nothing wrong. Kaleva May 2019 #12

Gee, when a teenager threatened me with a knife, I just laughed at him ProudLib72 May 2019 #15

What happened next? cwydro May 2019 #21

He didn't go through with it ProudLib72 May 2019 #31

Me too. And to a man with a hammer, all the world is a nail. lostnfound May 2019 #55

Yrs ago, my boss had me drive a Vet to the Veterans Hospital - the Vet pulled a knife on me womanofthehills May 2019 #91

I thought of the taser. ProudLib72 May 2019 #94

Wow! You handled that BRILLIANTLY! renate May 2019 #106

It's a sad situation for all involved Downtown Hound May 2019 #16

Sad, but cop had no choice Jersey Devil May 2019 #22

We can do better than the police system we have. WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #23

Unless she was close enough to stab them, what are these cowards afraid of? elocs May 2019 #33

The 21 foot rule is almost universal in police training dumbcat May 2019 #35

How long do they have to wait? treestar May 2019 #60

You think this girl could have turned suddenly Nuggets May 2019 #72

She is running towards them. treestar May 2019 #79

He had plenty of time from the get go Nuggets May 2019 #84

You should get hired at the police treestar May 2019 #85

Ah the old Nuggets May 2019 #88

Did she die? She may have survived treestar May 2019 #97

So if she's riddled with bullets and Nuggets May 2019 #98

Well you could at least be accurate treestar May 2019 #99

The cop has really poor verbal skills mokawanis May 2019 #36

He's not there to help. He's there to "contain the threat" -- to dehumanize and objectify WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #39

He didn't do it because they are not trained professionals. Any old fool can become a cop. nt UniteFightBack May 2019 #45

Exactly, thank you uppityperson May 2019 #49

None of those things you mentioned are considered to be deadly weapons Kaleva May 2019 #50

I consider a razor to be potentially deadly mokawanis May 2019 #63

I don't think there's a jurisdiction in the country that considers a razor to be a deadly weapon Kaleva May 2019 #82

What was he to say beyond "drop the knife?" treestar May 2019 #101

Lots of things he could have said mokawanis May 2019 #108

A grown man with a baton couldn't hit her arm holding the knife? zackymilly May 2019 #38

Cops in the UK disarm folks with a knife all the time..the fact that she is black HipChick May 2019 #41

I don't think UK tactics would have worked in this situation Kaleva May 2019 #58

Not always....basically the cops here are not trained... HipChick May 2019 #64

Plus Rambling Man May 2019 #77

I think cops need to also be trained in mental health and other possible responses such as UniteFightBack May 2019 #44

Or maybe they can get babysitter training Rambling Man May 2019 #69

She was running towards him treestar May 2019 #86

Shot Joediss May 2019 #57

Is it too much to ask that she put the knife down? treestar May 2019 #59

I can't believe so many people here are defending the cop Mosby May 2019 #73

having a complete understanding that you live in a police state Rambling Man May 2019 #76

we don't live in a police state Mosby May 2019 #109

some of you don't Rambling Man May 2019 #111

So the cop is never to be defended? treestar May 2019 #102

maybe he should have disarmed her Mosby May 2019 #105

Is it standard to train police to disarm someone with a knife? treestar May 2019 #115

they are trained in close contact fighting afaik Mosby May 2019 #117

The officer is on administrative leave treestar May 2019 #118

This is what can happen if you don't stop a teen armed with a butcherknife appleannie1943 May 2019 #80

Having actually watched the video sarisataka May 2019 #81

taser? Demonaut May 2019 #83

Problematic for a single officer sarisataka May 2019 #87

Necessary shooting, as far as I'm concerned. Tarc May 2019 #93

This sure has been a contentious thread matt819 May 2019 #104

And you can bet there would be people treestar May 2019 #113

Why is this girl still alive?? Blue_Tires May 2019 #103

Yes, I recall that argument. treestar May 2019 #114

I've added my voice to a number of threads where police have been clearly out of line True Dough May 2019 #107