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maxsolomon

(33,232 posts)
129. "The Vengeance Squad"?
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 02:24 PM
Apr 2019

On nearly every DU thread discussing America's vast, racially-biased Prison Population, a significant number of commenters are ready to jump in to advocate, or take glee in, extra-judicial punishments (like prison rape and prison beatings), lengthy prison terms, & harsh prison policies. They may consider that a "legitimate position", but they're sure not providing a lot of persuasive content.

Here we have a reasonable, albeit controversial, proposition (let Prisoners vote) that reflects policies in place in several other nations that America purports to be more enlightened than.

So of course, reasonable discussion is out of the question. Instead, plenty of black-and-white pronouncements about crime and punishment. Probably from elderly White people who have never been on the wrong side of the law.

Regardless, no one ever "wins" an argument on DU. You, for instance, didn't change my mind, nor I yours.

Recommended. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #1
Very good point. n/t JoeOtterbein Apr 2019 #2
I don't agree. You lose rights when you go to prison. Baitball Blogger Apr 2019 #3
Me too leftofcool Apr 2019 #4
Not going over well isn't a reason to not support it. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #50
It is about having enough of a clear head to pick the right fights. Blue_true Apr 2019 #88
They started felony disenfranchisement because slavery ended JonLP24 Apr 2019 #107
Then we do criminal justice reform. Blue_true Apr 2019 #120
I think this is part of criminal justice reform JonLP24 Apr 2019 #121
No it is not. It is something that Bernie and AOC pulled out of thin air Blue_true Apr 2019 #122
He actually hasn't changed his position JonLP24 Apr 2019 #123
Most Democrats support it JonLP24 Apr 2019 #106
I don't support those convicted and serving time having voting rights. LiberalFighter Apr 2019 #6
What is the reasoning for the loss of voting rights? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #49
Not at all. AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #57
So if you were asked what a key right central to citizenship was, you would say what? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #59
I'd say the Bill of Rights..the ONLY rights Govt has little to no say over. Voting isn't there. AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #61
Those doesn't have to do with the role of citizenship. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #66
Minors can't vote and they're very much citizens. NYC Liberal Apr 2019 #60
Wish I'd thought of that point....well played. AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #63
Meh. Not so much. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #68
Why not? At what age? 12-13...18 When? AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #77
Still no rec's huh? Fooling no one. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #98
I'm not hunting "rec's"...couldn't care less about a "rec" AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #127
They aren't full citizens until they reach the age of majority. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #67
Yes they are "full citizens". NYC Liberal Apr 2019 #71
Again...not really. Citizens yes but not fully vested..can't vote.... AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #81
Ultimately, people who commit crimes voluntarily waive their rights. NYC Liberal Apr 2019 #86
Exactly. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #91
Punishing them over it is counterproductive JonLP24 Apr 2019 #108
People who commit crimes should not face punishment at all? NYC Liberal Apr 2019 #113
No I mean the civil death part of it JonLP24 Apr 2019 #114
Can they form a binding contract? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #119
And a person that does a crime, by choice, chose to give up some rights until he or she Blue_true Apr 2019 #90
They are repaying a debt to society. Blue_true Apr 2019 #89
No, yoinking voting rights is blatantly abused. backscatter712 Apr 2019 #8
You lose some, but not all. And you don't lose your citizenship. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #11
Canada allows incarcerated felons to vote wellst0nev0ter Apr 2019 #14
Pretty sure countries like Finland/Sweden and others do too. Chin music Apr 2019 #18
America legal system is unfair at best uponit7771 Apr 2019 #20
Yup. Do that and felons will also get to keep their gun rights. This is something we brewens Apr 2019 #31
re: "Do that and felons will also get to keep their gun rights." thesquanderer Apr 2019 #35
+1 Chin music Apr 2019 #52
Voting isn't in the Bill of Rights....most of your mentions of rights. AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #56
White women couldn't vote until the 19th passed. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #69
That's not going to happen. felons...and shouldn't EVER AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #76
White women and African Americans could not vote Blue_true Apr 2019 #92
True, voting is not guaranteed in the bill of rights. But does that mean... thesquanderer Apr 2019 #124
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #128
Nice slippery slope of that doesn't need to happen. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #48
Go find me the stats of people in prison that bothered to vote regularly in the first place. brewens Apr 2019 #72
This. Joe941 Apr 2019 #37
Why specifically the right to vote? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #47
I totally agree. Blue_true Apr 2019 #87
Do you know the history of felony disenfranchisement? JonLP24 Apr 2019 #105
"Bernie Sanders Got It Right on CNN: Felons Ought to Be Allowed to Vote" dogman Apr 2019 #5
She's wrong and so is Sanders JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #7
Posted here. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #10
They don't care Sheshe JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #28
So it's about vengeance? thesquanderer Apr 2019 #42
Wait JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #45
Unless the sentence includes revoking citizenship, then yes... thesquanderer Apr 2019 #125
"Either mouth breathing inbred racist maggots who lynch people are included or not." WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #13
I'm - they are in the country JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #24
I hear you. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #33
All these people lost their right to vote too wellst0nev0ter Apr 2019 #15
When they get out of prison JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #23
What's the reasoning for taking away a vital right of citizenship? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #53
the problem there is they are in prison in the first place. JI7 Apr 2019 #100
So what about the black guy in prison for having an ounce too much weed? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #51
Just so the racist origins of the practice don't get lost sfwriter Apr 2019 #9
Excellent! thank you. mountain grammy Apr 2019 #17
Wait JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #25
I'm glad you asked. sfwriter Apr 2019 #43
I support voting rights for all incarcerated citizens. I also think it's not a useful campaign WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #12
No Alex. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #16
Yeah JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #26
it's such BS also. the republicans already try all they can to suppress votes of black people JI7 Apr 2019 #101
I disagree.with both AOC and Bernie. jcmaine72 Apr 2019 #19
THIS IS GOOD !!! AOC and Sanders understand how racist and tilted the US in-Justice system is and uponit7771 Apr 2019 #21
prison voters intelpug Apr 2019 #22
Thank you JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #27
I can just hear the ads: Democrats just gave Willie Horton the vote! Generic Other Apr 2019 #83
I think that you are largely missing the point by bringing in small percentage events. Blue_true Apr 2019 #93
Most people are not going to be on board with this. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2019 #29
Then we need to learn to frame our arguments, so even those with acute Foxbrain can appreciate them. backscatter712 Apr 2019 #46
We need to not even consider this. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2019 #99
+10000 skylucy Apr 2019 #103
Im willing to argue with conservatives over this and I have JonLP24 Apr 2019 #109
She's good at this. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #30
Appaling AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #32
Mostly bingo. I still like AOC, but she is shoveling blind BS on taking up prison vote. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #94
The non-violent guy with a dime bag shouldn't be incarcerated in the first place Ron Obvious Apr 2019 #34
Bingo dalton99a Apr 2019 #39
This. lapfog_1 Apr 2019 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Apr 2019 #110
I don't support the right to vote for incarcerated felons lapfog_1 Apr 2019 #116
15th Ammendment. The reason why we have voter disenfranchisement is because of white supremacy JonLP24 Apr 2019 #117
Where would the prisoners vote? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2019 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Apr 2019 #44
Where they are in prison. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #54
Exactly JonLP24 Apr 2019 #111
Clarification question- sarisataka Apr 2019 #38
People in pretrial detention are eligible to vote. dalton99a Apr 2019 #40
Thank you sarisataka Apr 2019 #41
The DU Vengeance Squad is always ready to deploy. maxsolomon Apr 2019 #58
Calling groups of people names for voicing legitimate positions is a surefire way to lose an Blue_true Apr 2019 #95
"The Vengeance Squad"? maxsolomon Apr 2019 #129
I'm with Bernie and AOC on this 100% Arazi Apr 2019 #62
1 quick question.....someone convicted of murder...vote? AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #65
Yes, everyone Arazi Apr 2019 #70
But the dead person...deprived of ALL rights...really? AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #75
I support this, and it's a good start. Next, scrap all offender registries and restore RKBA once... Marengo Apr 2019 #64
Other countries: moondust Apr 2019 #73
Thanks Renew Deal Apr 2019 #84
No one wants the Nazis to march in Skokie, either, but if they're prohibited, free speech is limited JudyM Apr 2019 #74
The ads write themselves Renew Deal Apr 2019 #78
No kidding leftofcool Apr 2019 #79
Yes. And repughs will enjoy slowly bleeding us out before killing us if we don't quickly bury such Blue_true Apr 2019 #96
I agree! skylucy Apr 2019 #104
No Ef'ing way Alea Apr 2019 #80
Heather Heyer - Voting rights revoked August 12, 2017, Charlottesville, VA Alea Apr 2019 #82
Ocasio-Cortez is talking about NONVIOLENT offenders... Galraedia Apr 2019 #85
AOC is fully supporting Bernie on this issue. Blue_true Apr 2019 #97
He supports the right to vote even for terrible people JonLP24 Apr 2019 #112
I appreciate her making the distinction between violent crimes and gtar100 Apr 2019 #102
I'm a criminal defense attorney. I endorse this proposal. no_hypocrisy Apr 2019 #115
I say let all the prisoners vote. Captain Stern Apr 2019 #118
guess I'm out of touch PupCamo Apr 2019 #126
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