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JustAnotherGen

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45. Wait

Fri Apr 26, 2019, 11:56 AM

Apr 2019

Do you mean to tell me - seriously -

James Byrd's one murderer that is left - should have FULL RIGHTS of CITIZENSHIP?

Explain this to me. Seriously. I'm a 'dummy black person'.

Explain to me why a PRISONER needs to vote.

You do realize there is a difference between a murderer who lynched a black man because of the color of his skin - who should be THANKFUL he escaped the death penalty (is two partners did not) - needs to be voting on Civil Rights for black people.

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Ocasio-Cortez backs giving prisoners voting rights [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2019 OP

Recommended. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #1

Very good point. n/t JoeOtterbein Apr 2019 #2

I don't agree. You lose rights when you go to prison. Baitball Blogger Apr 2019 #3

Me too leftofcool Apr 2019 #4

Not going over well isn't a reason to not support it. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #50

It is about having enough of a clear head to pick the right fights. Blue_true Apr 2019 #88

They started felony disenfranchisement because slavery ended JonLP24 Apr 2019 #107

Then we do criminal justice reform. Blue_true Apr 2019 #120

I think this is part of criminal justice reform JonLP24 Apr 2019 #121

No it is not. It is something that Bernie and AOC pulled out of thin air Blue_true Apr 2019 #122

He actually hasn't changed his position JonLP24 Apr 2019 #123

Most Democrats support it JonLP24 Apr 2019 #106

I don't support those convicted and serving time having voting rights. LiberalFighter Apr 2019 #6

What is the reasoning for the loss of voting rights? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #49

Not at all. AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #57

So if you were asked what a key right central to citizenship was, you would say what? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #59

I'd say the Bill of Rights..the ONLY rights Govt has little to no say over. Voting isn't there. AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #61

Those doesn't have to do with the role of citizenship. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #66

Minors can't vote and they're very much citizens. NYC Liberal Apr 2019 #60

Wish I'd thought of that point....well played. AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #63

Meh. Not so much. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #68

Why not? At what age? 12-13...18 When? AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #77

Still no rec's huh? Fooling no one. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #98

I'm not hunting "rec's"...couldn't care less about a "rec" AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #127

They aren't full citizens until they reach the age of majority. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #67

Yes they are "full citizens". NYC Liberal Apr 2019 #71

Again...not really. Citizens yes but not fully vested..can't vote.... AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #81

Ultimately, people who commit crimes voluntarily waive their rights. NYC Liberal Apr 2019 #86

Exactly. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #91

Punishing them over it is counterproductive JonLP24 Apr 2019 #108

People who commit crimes should not face punishment at all? NYC Liberal Apr 2019 #113

No I mean the civil death part of it JonLP24 Apr 2019 #114

Can they form a binding contract? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #119

And a person that does a crime, by choice, chose to give up some rights until he or she Blue_true Apr 2019 #90

They are repaying a debt to society. Blue_true Apr 2019 #89

No, yoinking voting rights is blatantly abused. backscatter712 Apr 2019 #8

You lose some, but not all. And you don't lose your citizenship. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #11

Canada allows incarcerated felons to vote wellst0nev0ter Apr 2019 #14

Pretty sure countries like Finland/Sweden and others do too. Chin music Apr 2019 #18

America legal system is unfair at best uponit7771 Apr 2019 #20

Yup. Do that and felons will also get to keep their gun rights. This is something we brewens Apr 2019 #31

re: "Do that and felons will also get to keep their gun rights." thesquanderer Apr 2019 #35

+1 Chin music Apr 2019 #52

Voting isn't in the Bill of Rights....most of your mentions of rights. AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #56

White women couldn't vote until the 19th passed. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #69

That's not going to happen. felons...and shouldn't EVER AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #76

White women and African Americans could not vote Blue_true Apr 2019 #92

True, voting is not guaranteed in the bill of rights. But does that mean... thesquanderer Apr 2019 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #128

Nice slippery slope of that doesn't need to happen. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #48

Go find me the stats of people in prison that bothered to vote regularly in the first place. brewens Apr 2019 #72

This. Joe941 Apr 2019 #37

Why specifically the right to vote? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #47

I totally agree. Blue_true Apr 2019 #87

Do you know the history of felony disenfranchisement? JonLP24 Apr 2019 #105

"Bernie Sanders Got It Right on CNN: Felons Ought to Be Allowed to Vote" dogman Apr 2019 #5

She's wrong and so is Sanders JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #7

Posted here. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #10

They don't care Sheshe JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #28

So it's about vengeance? thesquanderer Apr 2019 #42

Wait JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #45

Unless the sentence includes revoking citizenship, then yes... thesquanderer Apr 2019 #125

"Either mouth breathing inbred racist maggots who lynch people are included or not." WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #13

I'm - they are in the country JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #24

I hear you. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #33

All these people lost their right to vote too wellst0nev0ter Apr 2019 #15

When they get out of prison JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #23

What's the reasoning for taking away a vital right of citizenship? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #53

the problem there is they are in prison in the first place. JI7 Apr 2019 #100

So what about the black guy in prison for having an ounce too much weed? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #51

Just so the racist origins of the practice don't get lost sfwriter Apr 2019 #9

Excellent! thank you. mountain grammy Apr 2019 #17

Wait JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #25

I'm glad you asked. sfwriter Apr 2019 #43

I support voting rights for all incarcerated citizens. I also think it's not a useful campaign WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #12

No Alex. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #16

Yeah JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #26

it's such BS also. the republicans already try all they can to suppress votes of black people JI7 Apr 2019 #101

I disagree.with both AOC and Bernie. jcmaine72 Apr 2019 #19

THIS IS GOOD !!! AOC and Sanders understand how racist and tilted the US in-Justice system is and uponit7771 Apr 2019 #21

prison voters intelpug Apr 2019 #22

Thank you JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #27

I can just hear the ads: Democrats just gave Willie Horton the vote! Generic Other Apr 2019 #83

I think that you are largely missing the point by bringing in small percentage events. Blue_true Apr 2019 #93

Most people are not going to be on board with this. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2019 #29

Then we need to learn to frame our arguments, so even those with acute Foxbrain can appreciate them. backscatter712 Apr 2019 #46

We need to not even consider this. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2019 #99

+10000 skylucy Apr 2019 #103

Im willing to argue with conservatives over this and I have JonLP24 Apr 2019 #109

She's good at this. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #30

Appaling AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #32

Mostly bingo. I still like AOC, but she is shoveling blind BS on taking up prison vote. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #94

The non-violent guy with a dime bag shouldn't be incarcerated in the first place Ron Obvious Apr 2019 #34

Bingo dalton99a Apr 2019 #39

This. lapfog_1 Apr 2019 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Apr 2019 #110

I don't support the right to vote for incarcerated felons lapfog_1 Apr 2019 #116

15th Ammendment. The reason why we have voter disenfranchisement is because of white supremacy JonLP24 Apr 2019 #117

Where would the prisoners vote? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2019 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Apr 2019 #44

Where they are in prison. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #54

Exactly JonLP24 Apr 2019 #111

Clarification question- sarisataka Apr 2019 #38

People in pretrial detention are eligible to vote. dalton99a Apr 2019 #40

Thank you sarisataka Apr 2019 #41

The DU Vengeance Squad is always ready to deploy. maxsolomon Apr 2019 #58

Calling groups of people names for voicing legitimate positions is a surefire way to lose an Blue_true Apr 2019 #95

"The Vengeance Squad"? maxsolomon Apr 2019 #129

I'm with Bernie and AOC on this 100% Arazi Apr 2019 #62

1 quick question.....someone convicted of murder...vote? AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #65

Yes, everyone Arazi Apr 2019 #70

But the dead person...deprived of ALL rights...really? AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #75

I support this, and it's a good start. Next, scrap all offender registries and restore RKBA once... Marengo Apr 2019 #64

Other countries: moondust Apr 2019 #73

Thanks Renew Deal Apr 2019 #84

No one wants the Nazis to march in Skokie, either, but if they're prohibited, free speech is limited JudyM Apr 2019 #74

The ads write themselves Renew Deal Apr 2019 #78

No kidding leftofcool Apr 2019 #79

Yes. And repughs will enjoy slowly bleeding us out before killing us if we don't quickly bury such Blue_true Apr 2019 #96

I agree! skylucy Apr 2019 #104

No Ef'ing way Alea Apr 2019 #80

Heather Heyer - Voting rights revoked August 12, 2017, Charlottesville, VA Alea Apr 2019 #82

Ocasio-Cortez is talking about NONVIOLENT offenders... Galraedia Apr 2019 #85

AOC is fully supporting Bernie on this issue. Blue_true Apr 2019 #97

He supports the right to vote even for terrible people JonLP24 Apr 2019 #112

I appreciate her making the distinction between violent crimes and gtar100 Apr 2019 #102

I'm a criminal defense attorney. I endorse this proposal. no_hypocrisy Apr 2019 #115

I say let all the prisoners vote. Captain Stern Apr 2019 #118

guess I'm out of touch PupCamo Apr 2019 #126