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In reply to the discussion: So the Dolt45 tax plan kicks in ... [View all]aggiesal
(8,910 posts)69. I don't give a rats ass, who it is accepted by ...
I'm reading what the framers of the Constitution debated and how/why
we have a 2nd Amendment.
This amendment has be bastardized so that all people can own guns, when
that was never the intent.
If you want examples read this:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gun-control-old-west-180968013/
So, stop saying that there were no such laws, where people turned in their weapon.
Dodge City, Kansas, formed a municipal government in 1878. According to Stephen Aron, a professor of history at UCLA, the first law passed was one prohibiting the carry of guns in town, likely by civic leaders and influential merchants who wanted people to move there, invest their time and resources, and bring their families. Cultivating a reputation of peace and stability was necessary, even in boisterous towns, if it were to become anything more transient than a one-industry boom town.
Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places, says Winkler. Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination. Carrying any kind of weapon, guns or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.
The practice was started in Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives, in the early 1800s. While a few citizens challenged the bans in court, most lost. Winkler, in his book Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, points to an 1840 Alabama court that, in upholding its state ban, ruled it was a state's right to regulate where and how a citizen could carry, and that the state constitution's allowance of personal firearms is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places.
Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places, says Winkler. Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination. Carrying any kind of weapon, guns or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.
The practice was started in Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives, in the early 1800s. While a few citizens challenged the bans in court, most lost. Winkler, in his book Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, points to an 1840 Alabama court that, in upholding its state ban, ruled it was a state's right to regulate where and how a citizen could carry, and that the state constitution's allowance of personal firearms is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places.
Also, on a peculiar coincidence, there is not a single word about an individual right to a gun for self-defense in the notes from the Constitutional Convention; nor in the transcripts of the ratification debates in the states; nor on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives as it marked up the Second Amendment, where every single speaker talked about the militia.
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It's not a millionaire thing. Lots of households make $100K a year with two wage earners.
haele
Mar 2019
#21
In some areas it is...but make no mistake these people are upper middle class - they are doing
UniteFightBack
Mar 2019
#30
With a 30 - 40 year mortgage and a hefty down-payment (usually a small inheritance or family "loan")
haele
Mar 2019
#23
There are other SALT deductions that are capped and those are payroll related. Also if you have more
uponit7771
Mar 2019
#8
Militia, State or National Guard service was never a prerequisite to gun ownership in the U.S.
meathead
Mar 2019
#24
Yet gun ownership in America has always been an individual right not linked to the miltia
hack89
Mar 2019
#31
You just never get it. No one is discussing this with you. Keep screaming at the wind.
Squinch
Mar 2019
#54
I remember reading that this extremely wide interpretation of the second amendment
Karadeniz
Mar 2019
#56
With all the important stuff going on in USA, there are still a few for whom GUNZ are all important.
Hoyt
Mar 2019
#57
Yet none of them spoke about individual rights concerning guns at the Constitutional Convention ...
aggiesal
Mar 2019
#71
A person that owns a business having a down year in revenue can easily rack that up.
Blue_true
Mar 2019
#63
I think the rule is if you file early, you expect a return, file later expect to pay.
Blue_true
Mar 2019
#64