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Igel

(35,296 posts)
27. Not much there to lose.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:07 PM
Mar 2019

And given the public mood for decommissioning (and not replacing) hydroelectric plants, it's unlikely it would have been rebuilt.

At some point somebody would have come along and brought the dam down after draining it. Or perhaps it would have been "blessed" by a natural resources group because it provided wetlands or lay-over space for migratory birds.

But it was one of the many private dams in the country; many younger people, esp. those who were born and raised in cities or suburbs, don't realize that a lot of infrastructure wasn't built by the federal government. Some were local public/private partnerships, some local and public (with organizations formed just for building the dam or towns/counties that responded to local needs). Some were purely private endeavors, and often in the Depression or afterwards those private organizations went bankrupt or simply dissolved; or they're too poor now to do anything but routine maintenance.


Many sources say the Spencer dam didn't die from (liquid) water alone but because of ice. I've lived near large bodies of water that froze over and yet had piers and docks, sometimes shipping terminals. They survived hurricanes and large-scale flooding with minimal damage; the terminal could be under 4 feet of water and everything's recoverable fairly quickly. But when the Bay or lake froze over, the wind would cause the 6" or 10" sheets to overlap, freeze in place, and form thick layers. You get a piece of ice 2 miles across and 2' thick moving and it'll do damage the likes of which tidal surge a mere 4' deep over land could only fantasize about. The Spencer dam may not have have a surface area and ice mass that big, but if a big chunk of ice was pounded against 90-year-old concrete ...

That dam isn't "breached" - it's freaking gone . . . hatrack Mar 2019 #1
My family is good, but we are 10 minutes drive from towns that are currently underwater. Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2019 #4
Good to hear you Rellies are safe. Wellstone ruled Mar 2019 #7
+1 ewagner Mar 2019 #11
+1... IthinkThereforeIAM Mar 2019 #17
Heading into Kansas City yesterday, one of the traffic alert signs: hatrack Mar 2019 #24
Wow 😮 Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #2
Stay safe to all those who live along the river WhiteTara Mar 2019 #3
Is that snow and water? malaise Mar 2019 #5
And ice Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2019 #15
OmahaSteve posted about heavy snow in Nebraska but I had no idea malaise Mar 2019 #22
There was a bunch of snow, and then warmer rain hit and it all melted... Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2019 #46
Both. Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #21
Wow! n/t malaise Mar 2019 #28
These are the travel restrictions today Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #31
I imagine that schools will be closed tomorrow malaise Mar 2019 #38
Good lord PatSeg Mar 2019 #6
It looks like the dam was well made but all dams have a lifetime and God only knows how many ... Botany Mar 2019 #13
So much of what people build PatSeg Mar 2019 #18
Yes it does seem like that. After the fires it felt like Mother Nature was trying to sweep us away.n Hekate Mar 2019 #33
It often does feel like that some times PatSeg Mar 2019 #37
And that's the absolute truth malaise Mar 2019 #39
It is so sad PatSeg Mar 2019 #40
90 years old? MyOwnPeace Mar 2019 #8
But, but, but PatSeg Mar 2019 #19
Info and history on the Spencer Dam KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #9
Thanks for the link/add'l info. I worry that many of our existing dams and other structures will be erronis Mar 2019 #12
Yes, and the bill for this one will be huge.... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #30
Not much there to lose. Igel Mar 2019 #27
Hadn't thought about the momentum of those massive ice sheets. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #34
massive damage Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2019 #10
We haven't repaired any SCVDem Mar 2019 #14
What "infrastructure?" MyOwnPeace Mar 2019 #23
Infrastructure week? B Stieg Mar 2019 #16
Voting Republican has consequences. What say, Mr Buffett? ancianita Mar 2019 #20
Did you make snide comments about Puerto Rico, NOLA, Manhattan? Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #35
Hell, no. I love Puerto Rico,NOLA and all of New York. Why would you think that. This is about human ancianita Mar 2019 #41
When you make the same kind of comments about Nebraska that we condemn when Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #45
Don't conflate Buffett and Rickets Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2019 #48
Warren Buffet supported Hillary Clinton Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2019 #47
Sorry to hear. Please don't ask the Federal Government for help that would look like socialism. Pepsidog Mar 2019 #25
Thanks for posting, and from a local source. Hortensis Mar 2019 #26
Here's the rest of the state. Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #29
wow look at all the silt buildup at the base of the dam.water pressure snapped upper supports Sunlei Mar 2019 #32
The Niobrara rises in the Sandhills . . . hatrack Mar 2019 #36
hills of sand and about 60'down is 20' of volcanic ash :P Sunlei Mar 2019 #43
One of my granddaughters and her husband and frogmarch Mar 2019 #42
So sorry about Marshmallow, there wasn't much warning for people to evac. Sunlei Mar 2019 #44
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