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Zambero

(8,954 posts)
118. Lawton, Oklahoma
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:28 AM
Aug 2012

I was stationed there at nearby Fort Sill for a year while in the army. For me, with limited transportaion options at the time, it seemed like a vast cultural desert with no escape. Surprisingly enough, some of the occasional getaway spots such as Oklahoma City and Norman were much better than I would have expected.

NYC. Dirty and noisy. n/t RebelOne Aug 2012 #1
When's the last time you were there? It's clean and full of life. Noisy, yep, part of the charm. HERVEPA Aug 2012 #28
12 years ago, the subways smelled like urine every single day. tridim Aug 2012 #80
I go up to NYC from Philadelphia 5 or 6 times a year HERVEPA Aug 2012 #172
I ride the subway almost every day and they don't smell like urine Renew Deal Aug 2012 #241
New York is great - yes it's dirty and noisy, but it's also the most alive, exciting smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #52
REally its cleaner than the smaller cities north of it. ... Historic NY Aug 2012 #77
Most large cities I have been to are noisy and relatively dirty KurtNYC Aug 2012 #164
New York was an extraordinary experience for me Herlong Aug 2012 #282
This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal Aug 2012 #240
Seriously?? Have you been to Europe?! WinkyDink Aug 2012 #262
I've never had a bad time in NYC.... steve2470 Aug 2012 #323
East St Louis. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #2
I agree. We got lost, trying for a short cut...1970's. russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #5
Never stop your car in East St. Louis. liberal N proud Aug 2012 #6
Excellent advise. pintobean Aug 2012 #51
Kids, you noticing all this plight? Son of Gob Aug 2012 #136
LOL-I had forgotten that scene. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #243
Oh geez! Jazzgirl Aug 2012 #288
East St Louis... roamer65 Aug 2012 #306
Yes dems_rightnow Aug 2012 #334
Newark. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2012 #3
I've heard Cory Booker has really done wonder for Newark. Terra Alta Aug 2012 #7
I have been to Newark on the Amtrak crimson77 Aug 2012 #10
Anyone who says "Newark" hasn't been to Jersey City. J/S. WinkyDink Aug 2012 #263
LOLOL!!!! Jazzgirl Aug 2012 #289
Dayton, Ohio Lebam in LA Aug 2012 #4
I second that AnnieBW Aug 2012 #31
Yes, Dayton spinbaby Aug 2012 #47
I liven in Dayton Ohio for a few months in 1978 whilegoing to grad school @ UD. MarianJack Aug 2012 #106
Dayton's gritty, but it has heart. n/t rucky Aug 2012 #155
Gary, Newark, East St Louis, Buffalo and Detroit liberal N proud Aug 2012 #8
The city I live in Floyd_Gondolli Aug 2012 #9
yet they seem proud of the very stuff that makes me hate dallas. ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2012 #255
Flipside of what? DURHAM D Aug 2012 #11
I started a thread earlier about most beautiful city. crimson77 Aug 2012 #14
ubud bali DonRedwood Aug 2012 #90
Camden, NJ. nc4bo Aug 2012 #12
Camden was frightening Freddie Aug 2012 #45
My vote goes for Camden, NJ. Eons and eons ago it was bad, haven't been there for RKP5637 Aug 2012 #56
I drive through Camden everyday... tallahasseedem Aug 2012 #228
Camden, New Jersey Lydia Leftcoast Aug 2012 #13
Whoa, we must just had a psychic connection. nt nc4bo Aug 2012 #15
Was thinking the same thing! Freddie Aug 2012 #42
They're averaging a murder or some sort of violent crime a day nc4bo Aug 2012 #48
I was visting Philly once high density Aug 2012 #311
Tijuana, Mexico. Cleita Aug 2012 #16
That was a few years back. Have you read The Abortion by Richard Brautigan? slackmaster Aug 2012 #19
I second that taught_me_patience Aug 2012 #27
Funny, I've been to most of these cities Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #58
Tallahassee ? steve2470 Aug 2012 #64
I chose cities that I've visited with combinations of crappy features taught_me_patience Aug 2012 #201
What's wrong with Visalia? vanlassie Aug 2012 #97
Jim Robinson UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #140
So, you condemn an ENTIRE region Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #145
That was humor. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #146
Riiiiiight. Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #149
I was just kidding. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #151
Tallahassee, huh? tallahasseedem Aug 2012 #233
I've always liked Tally steve2470 Aug 2012 #234
I'll call your Tijuana and raise... meaculpa2011 Aug 2012 #41
I've never been to Juarez, but I have heard it's even worse. n/t Cleita Aug 2012 #75
Tijuana. Please don't tell me there's worse. vanlassie Aug 2012 #93
Mexicali KurtNYC Aug 2012 #165
OMG. vanlassie Aug 2012 #171
Wife and I went on vacation to Juarez in 2007.... cbdo2007 Aug 2012 #245
Oh yeah-- that's a great one. Marr Aug 2012 #187
OMG---YES!!! WinkyDink Aug 2012 #264
Ha! Herlong Aug 2012 #285
Waco warrior1 Aug 2012 #17
Parts of Birminham, AL; Detroit, MI, and Baltimore, MD slackmaster Aug 2012 #18
Earlier in the thread I talked about Amtrak, crimson77 Aug 2012 #20
The part I stumbled on was dramatic. One block had well-maintained Victorian row houses, slackmaster Aug 2012 #22
A few blocks from the Inner Harbor is horrible poverty. kwassa Aug 2012 #24
My cousin bought and renovated several rowhouses in a part of B-more called Canton crimson77 Aug 2012 #26
Baltimore has good sections and bad sections AnnieBW Aug 2012 #32
We stayed at the Inner Harbor once DiverDave Aug 2012 #98
we had a similar experience in Baltimore Danmel Aug 2012 #131
About fifteen years ago I went to SheilaT Aug 2012 #207
I used to live in B-more, and know what you mean.... eek MD Aug 2012 #157
That can't be more than 10 blocks from the exact place I described slackmaster Aug 2012 #169
Yup, that's what I remember. Blocks and blocks of boarded-up houses in Baltimore. E-Z-B Aug 2012 #203
Yes, it's very easy to find youself in a scary place in B'more deutsey Aug 2012 #324
Forks, Washington Rainngirl Aug 2012 #21
Forks has got nothing on Aberdeen though. cemaphonic Aug 2012 #127
last time i was in aberdeen it was being bought up by rich people. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #137
They must have decided to sell. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #177
Whenever it gets hot in Seattle and they show the weather map, I think gateley Aug 2012 #252
Lol....I lived in Forks decades ago. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #330
Ogden, Utah....sorry but where we went was absolutely filthy..The nice city/county Park Ranger... Tikki Aug 2012 #23
Another for Camden, NJ n/t Earth_First Aug 2012 #25
Hays, Kansas. kwassa Aug 2012 #29
I had to work with people in Hays KS over the phone lunasun Aug 2012 #62
well, the somewhere else was ... kwassa Aug 2012 #91
My life Herlong Aug 2012 #290
I bet they are all ReThugs. nt Auntie Bush Aug 2012 #188
I dated a girl from Hays when I went to KU. tridim Aug 2012 #81
My girlfriend and I will not go there then sakabatou Aug 2012 #123
Emporia, Kansas KansDem Aug 2012 #202
Sorry to hear that and wow! Cleita Aug 2012 #239
Muleshoe, Texas gopiscrap Aug 2012 #30
Bangkok--one big unending traffic jam bbgrunt Aug 2012 #33
One night in Bangkok and the tough guys tumble! lunasun Aug 2012 #67
I just have to reply because I LOVE that song. :) n/t susanna Aug 2012 #117
Yep!!! Same here! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #253
Can't believe that Murray's character in the video TlalocW Aug 2012 #132
Maybe it's a joke, SnohoDem Aug 2012 #152
Longest traffic light ever jsmirman Aug 2012 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Aug 2012 #34
Detroit. al_liberal Aug 2012 #35
There's beauty even in decrepitude.... DeSwiss Aug 2012 #36
That's beautiful -- what/where is it? nt gateley Aug 2012 #284
Gary, Indiana DeSwiss Aug 2012 #291
Hauntingly sad. Thanks. I'd love to get the book. gateley Aug 2012 #313
Olongopo, Republic of the Philippines Agnosticsherbet Aug 2012 #37
A lot of people pintobean Aug 2012 #55
Never said I didn't have fun.. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2012 #96
I like traveling so... AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #38
I was going to say, Murfreesboro*, Tennessee, but your answer is way cooler. FSogol Aug 2012 #40
This! Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #61
Me too. hunter Aug 2012 #79
I was once stuck in O'Hare airport over night AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #83
I was stuck in Seattle airport overnight. DiverDave Sep 2012 #336
Hoboken, NJ? UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #141
never been there.. AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #232
Not seen it lately, have you? WinkyDink Aug 2012 #265
You think I'm lying? UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #298
Naples, Florida where I live HockeyMom Aug 2012 #39
"Worst Cities in the USA" Freddie Aug 2012 #43
Newark Canuckistanian Aug 2012 #44
I was thinking of Newark too Life Long Dem Aug 2012 #191
Naples, Italy lpbk2713 Aug 2012 #46
lived there for 2 weeks with a friend-local- and loved it but lunasun Aug 2012 #73
Dade City Florida DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #49
Jersey City, NJ steve2470 Aug 2012 #50
Hey! UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #144
I thought so steve2470 Aug 2012 #147
That's why I moved here. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #150
Sorry but is that a real statue or Photoshopped ? steve2470 Aug 2012 #219
No offence taken. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #235
LMAO WilmywoodNCparalegal Aug 2012 #267
I love that statue! UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #299
springfield, mo Dkc05 Aug 2012 #53
Bullhead City, AZ LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #54
I agree between that and Laughlin ugh! kimbutgar Aug 2012 #101
What a terribly divisive thread. Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #57
Well, in Camden's case it's greedpolitics and politicians which have caused so many of the problems. nc4bo Aug 2012 #63
But what about the feelings of the other people who expect but don't see their hometown on the list? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #71
Good points RZM Aug 2012 #113
Not every town has good things jeff47 Aug 2012 #116
No, I'm left coast but Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #142
Barstow's a little dusty, but the people are friendly. jeff47 Aug 2012 #170
A tie: teenagebambam Aug 2012 #59
I was there in Jerusalem for a week sakabatou Aug 2012 #122
Mogadishu, Somalia pintobean Aug 2012 #60
What the hell were you doing there? UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #153
Navy. pintobean Aug 2012 #294
Wow. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #301
San Francisco... Ben_Caxton Aug 2012 #65
Just about the only place in the city you can get away from it is Chinatown. I won't kelly1mm Aug 2012 #87
It was just a far cry from expectations... Ben_Caxton Aug 2012 #139
Good Don't Come Back Anytime Soon HangOnKids Aug 2012 #248
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #274
LOL! I Must Edit. HangOnKids Aug 2012 #279
That's not fair slutticus Aug 2012 #256
I hate San Francisco as much as the next person XemaSab Aug 2012 #280
We serve steaming hot pizza here every day at the DU. Major Hogwash Aug 2012 #318
Thank you. I had same vote. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #331
Gross... Mmm_Bacon Aug 2012 #335
Butte, Montana slampoet Aug 2012 #66
That toxic pond.... Zambero Aug 2012 #115
Lawton, Oklahoma Zambero Aug 2012 #118
Wetlake Village, California. hunter Aug 2012 #68
Really? What is wrong with Westlake Village? kwassa Aug 2012 #281
Seems like they've elected all Democrats. That's a plus! gateley Aug 2012 #286
Affluent Republican Prosperity Christians... Suffocating hunter Aug 2012 #296
Doesn't sound like the place for you. kwassa Aug 2012 #297
Also land of Elton Gallegly on the Thousand Oaks side.... hunter Aug 2012 #302
A neighbor a block away has a Camarro ... kwassa Aug 2012 #307
New York City.. opiate69 Aug 2012 #69
I heart NY! lunasun Aug 2012 #76
Bakersfield, CA alittlelark Aug 2012 #70
My dad hated it due to the weather sakabatou Aug 2012 #124
Don't remind me. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #143
Manteca, CA Starry Messenger Aug 2012 #72
Bogolusa La. cliffordu Aug 2012 #74
Dallas, Texas. tridim Aug 2012 #78
I like Chicago a lot, but Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #82
Been there, done that.. mwdem Aug 2012 #114
Chicago in January is very brrrr-tastic steve2470 Aug 2012 #249
Prague. Also the best city. Robb Aug 2012 #84
Augusta, Georgia GoCubsGo Aug 2012 #85
Phoenix, AZ. Arctic Dave Aug 2012 #86
Do tell. I lived in that shithole for too many years, but my experiences in TX put them below Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #95
We lived in Phoenix for four years SheilaT Aug 2012 #209
I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Arctic Dave Aug 2012 #295
The only time I've been to Phoenix was in February, Art_from_Ark Aug 2012 #303
medan sumatra DonRedwood Aug 2012 #88
You present a dilema quaker bill Aug 2012 #89
Houston, TX. Filthy, smelled it long before we saw it, the 2nd worst drivers I've ever encountered, Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #92
Hands down Tiajuana, Mexico. Cary Aug 2012 #94
Tijuana's clean...try Alexandria or Cairo tjwash Aug 2012 #100
No it isn't, and no thank you. Cary Aug 2012 #109
Revolution Boulevard has changed a lot in the last 5 years FreeState Aug 2012 #120
Okay. It has been about 15 years or so for me so I accept this too Cary Aug 2012 #174
used to travel to Cairo monthly - at least 25 trips there DrDan Aug 2012 #160
I was standing on the sea wall in Alexandria, looked down on the beach and there was a rat king DonRedwood Aug 2012 #178
It's a tie. Colorado Springs, Colorado, and Juarez, Mexico. Zorra Aug 2012 #99
Heh. You and I think alike. distantearlywarning Aug 2012 #168
Yep, and the thing is, like you, I was also in Juarez in the (early) 80's. Zorra Aug 2012 #268
I'm not a fan of Los Angeles. Arugula Latte Aug 2012 #102
+1 FreeState Aug 2012 #121
I live in Los Angeles and I agree it's a pretty shitty city. Marr Aug 2012 #192
Sometimes when where I wanted to go was a few miles away, I found Cleita Aug 2012 #273
home sweet home barbtries Aug 2012 #194
Me neither and I lived in various places within the county and city Cleita Aug 2012 #271
UCLA has a beautiful campus, and like you say, there are nice enclaves and so forth there ... Arugula Latte Aug 2012 #283
This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Aug 2012 #292
LA is good for Beaches and Food and some other stuff JI7 Aug 2012 #293
I lived in Los Angeles 17 years and really like the city and the area. kwassa Aug 2012 #300
I used to live in DC. Great town. Arugula Latte Aug 2012 #332
Memphis in August tularetom Aug 2012 #103
I once had a crush on a French Quarter bartender who was from Leesville KamaAina Aug 2012 #229
Not only visited, but lived there. frogmarch Aug 2012 #104
Atlanta, Georgia. Because of the weather. Speck Tater Aug 2012 #105
Fayeteville, North Carolina. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #107
Gulfport/Biloxi, MS. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #108
Most of the beautiful old homes along Hwy 90, which parallels the coast, were wiped out by Katrina fleur-de-lisa Aug 2012 #180
I didn't know that. JoeyT Aug 2012 #314
Buffalo, some parts of Paris. Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #110
Little Rock and Miami are both pretty shitty snooper2 Aug 2012 #111
The downtown of Little Rock was OK hifiguy Aug 2012 #190
Probably Some Place in India JI7 Aug 2012 #112
a weird little boonie town in idaho that consisted of a dirt road cut through a narrow canyon HiPointDem Aug 2012 #119
That's most of the towns in the middle of the state jmowreader Aug 2012 #316
really? most of the towns in central idaho look like that one i saw? weird. i would like to see HiPointDem Aug 2012 #320
There are three towns in south Idaho that still have one telephone line for the whole community jmowreader Aug 2012 #333
Port Au Prince limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #125
Port Au Prince is heartbreaking but... tosh Aug 2012 #329
Limerick wickerwoman Aug 2012 #126
El Paso, TX Quantess Aug 2012 #129
Portland, Oregon hfojvt Aug 2012 #130
Is Portland the ONLY city you've ever been to? Nostradammit Aug 2012 #238
Someone tried to run my DH down in NC! I know a state not a city let me explain Heather MC Aug 2012 #133
I've done a lot of travelling and I can't honestly think of a city that I hated. Every city has... Locut0s Aug 2012 #134
Durham, NC, when the tobacco warehouses were full Warpy Aug 2012 #135
Fresno - nuff said. n/t ellisonz Aug 2012 #138
Ditto on Fresno roamer65 Aug 2012 #304
Detroit, MI BlueinOhio Aug 2012 #148
Celebration, FL rucky Aug 2012 #154
Detroit, MI, hands down! mfcorey1 Aug 2012 #211
I'm with you. Central FL - Ground-Zero for Zombie Reagan values. See #276. leveymg Aug 2012 #278
Houston: Governor of Texas, George W Bush, & Mayor of Houston sued Feds to stop clean air act twins.fan Aug 2012 #156
When was that? LTX Aug 2012 #181
Mid nineties, back when W was Governor of Texas twins.fan Aug 2012 #200
Houston is also my worst city. SheilaT Aug 2012 #210
I noticed that too! One accompanying characteristic was cheap home prices twins.fan Aug 2012 #322
Trona, California. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #158
Orlando, FL Capt. Obvious Aug 2012 #159
I would never nominate Orlando as the most beautiful city in the world, however.... steve2470 Aug 2012 #250
Midland/Odessa,TX JCMach1 Aug 2012 #161
Boston. Nearly everyone was rude and unfriendly. Shrek Aug 2012 #162
Boston is the bomb-diggity crimson77 Aug 2012 #173
I visited in mid-May Shrek Aug 2012 #176
Shamrock Texas. hobbit709 Aug 2012 #163
I'm betting that was actually a tornado shelter. GoCubsGo Aug 2012 #244
Sign said bomb shelter-looked like it was built in the late 50's. hobbit709 Aug 2012 #246
Mazatlan Mexico otohara Aug 2012 #166
That would have to be Ciudad Juarez, Mexico distantearlywarning Aug 2012 #167
I grew up in the Springs Nostradammit Aug 2012 #242
Any city in the northern half of Utah. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #175
Utah has some terribly unattractive cities. I really don't know why. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #183
It's the rugged individualist ethos. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #195
I have to agree. Lived near Ogden, attended college there for a little while-- TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #196
i was disappointed in Nashville. barbtries Aug 2012 #179
Now I am going to win this: Boxcar Willie Aug 2012 #182
Atlantic City feels like the best place anywhere - closeupready Aug 2012 #214
Yeah Boxcar Willie Aug 2012 #328
Detroit, hands down. hifiguy Aug 2012 #184
Funny About Detriot On the Road Aug 2012 #266
So, So many to choose from…. FAHQ69_7 Aug 2012 #185
Charleston and Savannah--two beautiful, walkable gems of cities. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #189
Thank you for your opinion enjoy visiting the places, I will never go back to either place. FAHQ69_7 Aug 2012 #193
So many to choose Brewinblue Aug 2012 #224
The entire thread does not make any sense FAHQ69_7 Aug 2012 #236
San Jose, Costa Rica. Marr Aug 2012 #186
Riyadh Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #197
It's also 115 degrees, but a dry 115 degrees. crimson77 Aug 2012 #204
Panama City, Panama. Scabies n/t librechik Aug 2012 #198
Bakersfield wins, and Houston comes next quinnox Aug 2012 #199
Seattle, WA... cynatnite Aug 2012 #205
No! Say it ain't so! Next time I'll be your tour guide. :-) gateley Aug 2012 #254
I needed a tour guide... cynatnite Aug 2012 #257
Was it also your last time here? gateley Aug 2012 #272
Yes... cynatnite Aug 2012 #275
NYC in 1970. Greybnk48 Aug 2012 #206
Nashville gadgets505 Aug 2012 #208
I gotta say... slutticus Aug 2012 #260
Chung Qing China, No US city or Mexican city is this bad. broiles Aug 2012 #212
Probably Warsaw. Got a nosebleed from the air pollution; closeupready Aug 2012 #213
Not all their fault, of course RZM Aug 2012 #215
Good points. It was known as Paris of the East (Europe) closeupready Aug 2012 #223
Weirton, WV - nasty nasty nasty 1-Old-Man Aug 2012 #216
since others have multiple entries, here's one more: Barrow Alaska steve2470 Aug 2012 #217
Most people are picking vast poverty-riddled places dmallind Aug 2012 #218
Hmm, if I had to pick one Broken_Hero Aug 2012 #220
Forgot to add my why, Broken_Hero Aug 2012 #221
I rode my bicycle through Picher back in the '70s, Art_from_Ark Aug 2012 #317
Yep, Broken_Hero Aug 2012 #325
Champagne/Urbana, IL Brewinblue Aug 2012 #222
There certainly is something to do in C-U AngryAmish Aug 2012 #225
That's all I could think of. Brewinblue Aug 2012 #226
correct, nothing to do because most go home on the weekends - closeupready Aug 2012 #230
Nanchang, China get the red out Aug 2012 #227
Oakland (which also happens to be my hometown). Jamaal510 Aug 2012 #231
i love oakland slutticus Aug 2012 #261
The Oakland Hills and adjacent Piedmont rival anything in SF in terms of beauty and scenic splendor spiderpig Aug 2012 #287
Marianna, Florida Laochtine Aug 2012 #237
Thermopolis, Wyoming. Aristus Aug 2012 #247
Probably some soulless suburb or exurb somewhere YoungDemCA Aug 2012 #251
I'm shocked at some folks. jehop61 Aug 2012 #258
most people here haven't traveled outside usa it seems... NuttyFluffers Aug 2012 #259
I Don't Know to Say This, On the Road Aug 2012 #269
This message was self-deleted by its author On the Road Aug 2012 #269
Orlando, FL. leveymg Aug 2012 #276
The one I lived in for the past several years...thank goodness no more... rateyes Aug 2012 #277
I am moving to Downtown Detroit jpbollma Aug 2012 #305
This message was self-deleted by its author roamer65 Aug 2012 #308
IMHO, best American large city I have seen is Seattle. roamer65 Aug 2012 #309
it *used* to be a nice working class town. now it's yuppie central with all its quirks commer- HiPointDem Aug 2012 #319
Subjective, but Charlotte, NC - It's Stepford-like SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2012 #310
There are several places I've lived that Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2012 #312
Terre Haute, Indiana........ mrmpa Aug 2012 #315
Yangon and Bago, Burma/Myanmar agentS Aug 2012 #321
Lima, Peru tblue Aug 2012 #326
Miraflores is pretty nice. crimson77 Aug 2012 #327
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