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appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
6. Would you rather a third party run in the general election?
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:17 AM
Feb 2019

I think that it's really important to remember that third party runs kill the side that the third party is closest to. Perot killed the GHW Bush reelection campaign. Nader may have helped to kill the Gore campaign (although I blame Gore himself, his choice of Joe Loserman as VP, and the Supreme Court all much more).

If you or the Democratic Party as a whole squelch the Sandernista voice during the Primary process, you are only pushing those voices toward third parties. Not my idea of a good strategy...

-app

The Benefits of a Bernie Candidacy [View all] appal_jack Feb 2019 OP
So MANY benefits... GO BERNIE!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #1
Hell no. EW is a real Democrat. we can do it Feb 2019 #34
So wrong DownriverDem Feb 2019 #75
agree onetexan Feb 2019 #120
Bernie is supported here on Democratic Underground Lordquinton Feb 2019 #131
THIS mac56 Feb 2019 #136
Oh you went there!!! rwsanders Feb 2019 #194
He announced he is running as a Democrat -- not an independent like the Starbucks former CEO. Liberty Belle Feb 2019 #176
Do you really think Bernie supporters will support awesomerwb1 Feb 2019 #201
Agreed- and thank you! David__77 Feb 2019 #84
No thanks. No Indies amuse bouche Feb 2019 #89
No indies? That's rich. An underground, by definition, is independent DemocracyMouse Feb 2019 #142
Where is this definition of underground as "independent"? sweetloukillbot Feb 2019 #152
' That's rich' amuse bouche Feb 2019 #196
Yeah! Go Bernie! Go! Keep going! Further! Codeine Feb 2019 #198
No. He's not a Democrat and will spend the primary attacking the Democratic party. manor321 Feb 2019 #2
Would you rather a third party run in the general election? appal_jack Feb 2019 #6
What's the difference in effect? Still hitting the Democrats from outside while absorbing votes uponit7771 Feb 2019 #11
Are you suggesting if he doesn't get the nod he'll throw the election to the GOP????? marble falls Feb 2019 #23
Like last time? Evergreen Emerald Feb 2019 #26
He didn't make a third party run last time. marble falls Feb 2019 #27
May as well have. we can do it Feb 2019 #36
EXACTLY. Cha Feb 2019 #157
Nonsense. He appeared in support of Hillary more than any other public figure onit2day Feb 2019 #160
🤣😂🤣 we can do it Feb 2019 #162
Does that include Bill Clinton? TexasTowelie Feb 2019 #174
Yep LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #30
He campaigned for Hillary TheFarseer Feb 2019 #141
And he refused to get out of the race... sweetloukillbot Feb 2019 #153
None of your "Facts" are true as we later found out he won majorities but onit2day Feb 2019 #163
What the fuck are you talking about sweetloukillbot Feb 2019 #164
You think TheFarseer Feb 2019 #167
🤣Campaigned vigorously🤣 we can do it Feb 2019 #159
Nice comeback TheFarseer Feb 2019 #170
He practically did that the last time treestar Feb 2019 #56
That's his choice DownriverDem Feb 2019 #91
"Bernie" the person is secondary at this point. appal_jack Feb 2019 #109
Why on EARTH would you want to call yourself a Sandernista???? sweetloukillbot Feb 2019 #154
I use "Sandernista" with my tongue firmly in cheek. appal_jack Feb 2019 #173
The vitriol never ends. shanny Feb 2019 #122
Well Said Shanny. Seems so many suffer from Bernie Derangement syndrome onit2day Feb 2019 #165
Yes. Let's be honest here...as a Democratic candidate who is not a Democrat...he can run against Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #204
That's what he did last time. Why would he change now? Texin Feb 2019 #65
His campaign manager, watoos Feb 2019 #68
We heard that promise True Blue American Feb 2019 #78
Huh? As Democratic as say... Joe Manchin? mwooldri Feb 2019 #70
+1, nt appal_jack Feb 2019 #77
Amen. Ruben "Gay Agenda" Diaz in New York is a "Real Democrat." QC Feb 2019 #100
+1 chwaliszewski Feb 2019 #126
THIS n/t Apollyonus Feb 2019 #114
bernie is NOT A DEMOCRAT!!! He is afraid of releasing his taxes and he has a #MeToo problem trueblue2007 Feb 2019 #148
What is "not a democrat" about him? He's more for our party thyan anyone onit2day Feb 2019 #158
Except the one measure that defines us... sweetloukillbot Feb 2019 #202
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #188
taxes please ! stonecutter357 Feb 2019 #3
Yes, this is a reasonable request. appal_jack Feb 2019 #10
Chairman Neal should request them. bottomofthehill Feb 2019 #46
Yep and if he does in the next week or two safeinOhio Feb 2019 #71
Yes. From everyone. nt Susan Calvin Feb 2019 #169
Absolutely agree! Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #4
+ 1000 Delmette2.0 Feb 2019 #93
Too bad Bernie is the least equipped to deliver that. BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #146
The Benefits of a Bernie Candidacy ? Not one thing we don't already have . stonecutter357 Feb 2019 #5
Nonsense. The number and diversity of voices matter. appal_jack Feb 2019 #22
Bernie brings nothing new to the Democratic party ! stonecutter357 Feb 2019 #25
He already brought it. It's what we all are talking about now. onit2day Feb 2019 #166
Bernie and diversity🤣 we can do it Feb 2019 #37
hahahahahahahahaha Apollyonus Feb 2019 #116
He's going to get a base of people who will say he was cheated by the DNC and they'll refuse to vote NightWatcher Feb 2019 #7
What were DWS and Donna Brazile's roles? appal_jack Feb 2019 #32
It's always blame the women. we can do it Feb 2019 #38
I blame the actions. appal_jack Feb 2019 #44
Oh, come on., give me a break... pangaia Feb 2019 #76
Cripes. Clarence Thomas much? JudyM Feb 2019 #107
+1 BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #195
Just scapegoats to explain Bernie's failure Apollyonus Feb 2019 #117
"... but some will withhold their vote (which counts just like a vote for trump)." pangaia Feb 2019 #74
Regardless I hope us Dems wake up and realize the infighting cost us Trump - not this time! walkingman Feb 2019 #8
+1 demmiblue Feb 2019 #12
Absolutely. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2019 #19
Is Sanders running as a democrat or not? thx in advance uponit7771 Feb 2019 #9
Anyone can run for a Party nomination. appal_jack Feb 2019 #15
Is Sanders going to run for the democratic nomination as a democrat? thx in advance uponit7771 Feb 2019 #17
As a voter, you can ask him. nt appal_jack Feb 2019 #18
You can't be an "independent campaigning for the Democratic nomination"; the rules were changed LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #33
Well, Bernie's either in or he's not. appal_jack Feb 2019 #48
So you're just supporting him whether or not he's gaming the rules. Gotcha sweetloukillbot Feb 2019 #58
Reading IS Fundamental, my friend. appal_jack Feb 2019 #73
I have read your evasions and non answers sweetloukillbot Feb 2019 #149
Can you point out this supposed personal attack on you? appal_jack Feb 2019 #171
Where are his taxes? leftynyc Feb 2019 #13
+1 Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #16
Thanks leftynyc Feb 2019 #41
Primary candidates have never been asked for their tax returns. Delmette2.0 Feb 2019 #99
He's the only one leftynyc Feb 2019 #127
We need transparency. Show your taxes, Sanders! lunamagica Feb 2019 #14
Just out of curiosity, have you asked every other declared candidate shanny Feb 2019 #124
Sanders (and trump) is the only one who ran last time who promised to release his taxes lunamagica Feb 2019 #128
That was a mistake on his part shanny Feb 2019 #137
The fact is that he promised they would release them, and he didn't. Hillary showed hers lunamagica Feb 2019 #138
I said it was a mistake shanny Feb 2019 #143
i am nit certain that i support him, but rampartc Feb 2019 #20
What will happen... quickesst Feb 2019 #21
A robust and open Primary will avoid this. appal_jack Feb 2019 #40
Well.... quickesst Feb 2019 #172
+1 Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #179
**** quickesst Feb 2019 #193
Bernie IS a Narcissist...as is every other candidate brooklynite Feb 2019 #24
I agree. It takes a certain amount of arrogance TexasBushwhacker Feb 2019 #115
Yep. KPN Feb 2019 #123
All Democrats should avoid infighting - OhZone Feb 2019 #28
No I see no benefits. I fear we could end up with a situation similar to 16...lose the general. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #29
ABB Anybody But Bernie! kennetha Feb 2019 #31
But his ideas are very present. Others are echoing his message. Why not at least Doitnow Feb 2019 #119
I don't think many of those ideas originated with Bernie. TexasTowelie Feb 2019 #156
Apparently it was not stressed enough. Doitnow Feb 2019 #175
Yes, except that I'll add: Anybody but Bernie and Tulsie! lunamagica Feb 2019 #129
The Benefits of a Bernie Candidacy Botany Feb 2019 #35
I have faith that Democrats are stronger than that. appal_jack Feb 2019 #130
Russian Trolls Johnny2X2X Feb 2019 #39
I like pictures Botany Feb 2019 #42
Сделать Россию великой снова! dalton99a Feb 2019 #69
Сделать Россию великой снова Botany Feb 2019 #112
One of my 2 or 3 favorite cities in the world.... pangaia Feb 2019 #83
No. The Russian trolls attack Democrats. We don't get R B Garr Feb 2019 #53
Russian Trolls! peggysue2 Feb 2019 #55
Where is Tad Devine? MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #105
Right here as we speak. Sanders is joining with us officially; he has continually voted with us. JudyM Feb 2019 #111
Bernie brings so much to the table and opens discussions UpInArms Feb 2019 #43
The Negatives of a Bernie Candidacy honest.abe Feb 2019 #45
Yep. Screenshotting this. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #49
Yep. kstewart33 Feb 2019 #72
+1 Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #180
All I'll say is this: Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #47
The stakes were too high last time, and he didn't care. It's all about him. I don't see him changing lunamagica Feb 2019 #52
This time, if Bern says the system is rigged against him.... kstewart33 Feb 2019 #80
The other benefit is I'll know which DUers to put on ignore until the silliness is over Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #178
I just made my first 2020 donation! Eom roody Feb 2019 #50
I'm glad he's in MontanaFarmer Feb 2019 #51
One benefit is when it's clear he's lost the primary he likes to still soldier on in the hopes of UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #54
Bernie is a drag on a party he refuses to join. Paladin Feb 2019 #57
No Bernie. No Biden. No old men. nt in2herbs Feb 2019 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Feb 2019 #177
Bernie has had zentrum Feb 2019 #60
I agree 100%. Bernie is issue-focused, and will challenge his opponents to be so as well. jcmaine72 Feb 2019 #61
This is well said. Bernie's voice will be valuable in the primaries. nt earthshine Feb 2019 #62
"any progressive can embrace Bernie's presence in the campaign" at this point. pnwmom Feb 2019 #63
This worked out so well last time didn't it? DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #64
No seta1950 Feb 2019 #66
What Part of "YOU ARE TOO OLD" Does Bernie Not Understand? DoctorJoJo Feb 2019 #67
Huh? I wish I had Bernie's fitness. mwooldri Feb 2019 #79
Warren is eight years younger than Bernie... appal_jack Feb 2019 #86
Is that TOO OLD to contribute? mountain grammy Feb 2019 #98
Well, I'm Bernie's Age, and I'M Too Old! He'd Be 80 the Year He Took Office! DoctorJoJo Feb 2019 #139
Good points! David__77 Feb 2019 #81
but will he? Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #181
Good points! PatrickforO Feb 2019 #82
Exactly. nt appal_jack Feb 2019 #87
Yes it did and we are the party for the people. mountain grammy Feb 2019 #96
Ind #1 re-election. nt jrthin Feb 2019 #85
To pull the discussion left, YES. For president, NO infullview Feb 2019 #88
Yep. This is a different time and we are in a different place as a country than we were then. CTyankee Feb 2019 #90
And if he isn't the nominee will his fanatics fuck us like they did last time? Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #182
I'm not referring to his "fanatics." They were considered so then but now his ideas seem just CTyankee Feb 2019 #183
My question still stands Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #186
Not sure they have remained a static group. Times change and most, if not all, have changed with the CTyankee Feb 2019 #187
Hell, I voted for Sanders in the primary Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #189
So maybe today's Bernistas are different from the old ones? CTyankee Feb 2019 #190
Not if Twitter is any indication n/t Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #191
I'm too old to care about Twitter...maybe I should, but I don't. CTyankee Feb 2019 #192
I Want His Ideas Out There! McKim Feb 2019 #92
The GOP is loving Bernie... JohnZSmith Feb 2019 #94
The drawback of a Bernie candidacy... SpankMe Feb 2019 #95
What gets me are the "purists" Duppers Feb 2019 #184
I would be lying if I said I don't see the benefits of Bernie running ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #97
During the 2016 primary mac56 Feb 2019 #101
+ about ten thousand PDittie Feb 2019 #134
I want to see sanders' tax returns Gothmog Feb 2019 #102
i have a real problem with bernie running rdking647 Feb 2019 #103
Go Bernie.... Mad_Mongol Feb 2019 #104
Or his voters will just embrace Trump Dopers_Greed Feb 2019 #106
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #108
NO Apollyonus Feb 2019 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author Apollyonus Feb 2019 #113
As long as he and his followers pledge to fully support the nominee, if he does not win Tarc Feb 2019 #118
I don't think we get to set that requirement fescuerescue Feb 2019 #145
And they can be freely kicked out of the DU if they choose not to comply Tarc Feb 2019 #150
OH we are just talking about DU fescuerescue Feb 2019 #151
Until he (A) releases his full tax returns (B) pledges to become and remain a D *permanently*, Maven Feb 2019 #121
Bernie broadbrushes legislation. It's annoying ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #125
I agree 100%. Bernie has strengthened the progressive movement immensely over the course of his KPN Feb 2019 #132
Bernie will keep the campaign honest Lordquinton Feb 2019 #133
This is how Republicans win, divide and concur. Stellar Feb 2019 #135
Excellent analysis! Power 2 the People Feb 2019 #140
Just about all of our candidates have the same voting record. The problem with Sanders and others... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #144
... BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #147
As long as he doesn't continually attack the party like he did before fine. Eko Feb 2019 #155
Voter registration drives on college campuses Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #161
I like hearing what he has to say. pwb Feb 2019 #168
Thank you, appal_jack! +100 Duppers Feb 2019 #185
I also like Warrens POV's.. disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #197
We are going to have some kick ass debates this time. Can't wait. Autumn Feb 2019 #199
You got that right.. disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #200
I see no benefit at all...personally. I think it will only cause division which we don't need. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #203
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