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Awsi Dooger

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22. Sherrod Brown probably can't win Ohio either
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 04:22 PM
Feb 2019

I'm not saying he couldn't win nationally but the math works against us in Ohio.

Too many whites. Very few Hispanics. That is the problem right there. Favorite son is generally worth 4 points but the gap is more than 4 points in Ohio.

When a state has more than 80% whites in the electorate and only 3% Hispanics, the logical percentages simply don't work for the black vote to push the Democratic nominee over the top in a very tight race nationally. Brown would probably need to be carrying the national popular vote by at least 4-5 points to drag his home state along with him.

My state of Florida takes plenty of grief around here. Meanwhile, Florida has a blend of every demographic and is very close to a true swing state. It is probably the closest thing to the national average of any state right now. It just happens to lean 1 point more red than the national average at base instinct, and Republicans have done a far better job at prioritizing and maximizing the state recently. I have seen that every cycle in my neighborhood.

Ohio does not take the same grief. Meanwhile it is much further removed from true swing state status. The national number in 2016 was 35% self-identified conservatives and 26% liberals. Florida that year was 36% conservatives and 25% liberals. Compare to Ohio which was 39% conservatives and 20% liberals.

Sorry, but at 19% gap, that state is gone for the foreseeable. There is no rescue. It was the same in 2018 with the Ohio exit poll revealing 39% conservatives and 21% liberals despite a heavy blue year. Rural and working class white have shifted away. There are too many of them in Ohio.

Ohio trended our way for a while. But the demographic shift was never real and meaningful like Virginia or Colorado, and now Arizona. Iowa has some of the same issues with even more whites and almost no blacks, but there are more liberals (23%) in Iowa, so that state remains somewhat available given the proper matchup.

Want to Win in 2020 ? [View all] Horizens Feb 2019 OP
Could be. However, let's hear from all of our candidates and learn about them more. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #1
Mebbe. elleng Feb 2019 #2
We'll likely win all of those regardless of who we nominate, except for Ohio. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #3
All those states will already be in play standingtall Feb 2019 #15
The demographics. And Harris hasn't had a target on her back for the last 25 years. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #16
The demographics didn't carry either Abrams or Andrew Gillum to victory there standingtall Feb 2019 #17
They came extremely close in a midterm election. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #18
Yes there is Obama's run was organic standingtall Feb 2019 #19
I'm not sure what you mean by organic in this context. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #20
By organic I mean there was not a huge push initially standingtall Feb 2019 #21
".... except for Ohio !!! Horizens Feb 2019 #24
Yes she does. Because of demographics. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #30
That's Just Plain Silly Horizens Feb 2019 #34
What is silly? Garrett78 Feb 2019 #35
I'm with you MissMillie Feb 2019 #4
How about Ohiogal Feb 2019 #6
A girl after my own heart... Glamrock Feb 2019 #8
SOLD!!!! (n/t) MissMillie Feb 2019 #9
I like that standingtall Feb 2019 #14
Brown/Klobucher is a stronger ticket and Horizens Feb 2019 #25
THAT is a superb ticket, I would SO vote for that Celerity Feb 2019 #33
Brown/Harris would be awesome Freddie Feb 2019 #5
would be better to diversify the ticket... Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #7
You left out CO world wide wally Feb 2019 #10
Plus HI, NV and NH. And the OP lists VA twice. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #12
AZ is going to be a real problem for Republicans come 2020 and beyond. bearsfootball516 Feb 2019 #27
It definitely could if we nominate smartly. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #31
You're correct Horizens Feb 2019 #28
Why can't they claim those States? brooklynite Feb 2019 #11
Ohio has moved further right sense Obama was President standingtall Feb 2019 #13
Sherrod Brown probably can't win Ohio either Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #22
Brown was up for reelection in 2018 standingtall Feb 2019 #23
We won't know where we are until vlyons Feb 2019 #26
Horizens, saidsimplesimon Feb 2019 #29
AZ Horizens Feb 2019 #32
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