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149. yes and no
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 10:33 AM
Feb 2019

they are hearsay as to whether a rape occurred but they aren't as to whether she told people a rape occurred.

Look where Kavenaugh is now..... FarPoint Feb 2019 #1
And Fairfax and Kavanaugh should BOTH be impeached sharedvalues Feb 2019 #6
I say ....when Kavenaugh is impeached.... FarPoint Feb 2019 #11
Exactly, it's okay that we might have a rapist as a lt governor at least hughee99 Feb 2019 #13
Yeah, lets get all 'partisan' about rape.. whathehell Feb 2019 #106
Whar are you talking about? FarPoint Feb 2019 #158
They should both be investigated. ooky Feb 2019 #117
Well, yes, because an impeachment is by definition an investigation into PatrickforO Feb 2019 #82
Yeah a rapist on the scotus. Why not one for the governor of Virginia. boston bean Feb 2019 #7
Most acquaintance rapists are bright enough not to leave evidence - OTHER THAN Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #18
I'm saying....take it to Court... FarPoint Feb 2019 #22
So you would rather all of the Cosby victims remained silent? Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #23
I see this current " claim" as a political weapon. . FarPoint Feb 2019 #34
So you are accusing a rape survivor, who happens to be a black, well-educated, college professor Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #43
Unreal isnt it? nt LexVegas Feb 2019 #47
To say I'm picking my jaw up off the floor a lot these days would be an understatement. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #51
The new thing about the victim lying because its suspicious that she was raped twice. LexVegas Feb 2019 #59
Obviously asserted by people with little understanding of, or experience with, rape. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #120
You are over thinking this.....You also are confabulating....I didn't say that .. FarPoint Feb 2019 #67
Plus 1 million... Dorian Gray Feb 2019 #115
You are presuming guilt treestar Feb 2019 #186
I am presuming Tyson and Watson are telling the truth - Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #190
An opposite presumption is treestar Feb 2019 #191
Courts alone determine guilt. LanternWaste Feb 2019 #198
That's fine but then it should not lead to treestar Feb 2019 #200
Vanessa Tyson is an African American Democratic scholar and professor. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #75
Excellent credentials for employment.... FarPoint Feb 2019 #78
Are you seriously comparing an African American Democratic feminist scholar and professor DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #80
Only to make a point.... FarPoint Feb 2019 #84
You think that she'd more credible because she's a scholar and professor? Empowerer Feb 2019 #134
I'm saying her background makes it infinitely less likely she is a a Republican plant. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #138
Then you should have left out the African-American professor and scholar part Empowerer Feb 2019 #139
Not just a rank and file Democrat but a young woman who has worked for and campaigned for Democrats. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #140
Then you should have said that instead of describing her race and occupation Empowerer Feb 2019 #142
Is that all part of our backgrounds? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #143
Her race and occupation doesn't make her any more or less Empowerer Feb 2019 #144
Does it seem she has a great deal to lose by making a false allegation? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #147
Everyone, regardless their livelihood, has a lot to lose by making a false allegation Empowerer Feb 2019 #150
It does make her more credible for one specific reason... irresistable Feb 2019 #154
As I said, EVERYONE has something to lose when making a false accusation Empowerer Feb 2019 #155
You are the one ASSUMING that I would imagine a less prestigious person less credible. irresistable Feb 2019 #159
Different issue treestar Feb 2019 #188
Fairfax's credentials seem pretty impressive, too! atreides1 Feb 2019 #179
Not evidence of his guilt treestar Feb 2019 #187
But evidence she is an extraordinarily unlikely right wing tool as has been suggested by some. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #189
Courts don't work for long-ago claims Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #50
So, what I am really saying is... FarPoint Feb 2019 #132
Only if the survivor wants to. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #135
The fact that "many accusers" describe the court process a certain way Empowerer Feb 2019 #141
You are twisting my words. I never said she shouldn't avail herself of the court process. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #164
Republicans say the exact same thing about Trump. Calista241 Feb 2019 #146
Fairfax! nt ecstatic Feb 2019 #2
Thank you. boston bean Feb 2019 #3
Good thank you jcgoldie Feb 2019 #4
Agreed. There are two legit accusers, of rape. Very diff fm Franken. sharedvalues Feb 2019 #5
I second your entire post. planetc Feb 2019 #12
Oh, please. If there is no investigation he is bein Frankened. brush Feb 2019 #8
You think that FBI investigation was fair? boston bean Feb 2019 #9
Think about the non-investigation of Franken. brush Feb 2019 #14
Franken resigned. He wasn't denied an investigation. boston bean Feb 2019 #15
Greatly oversimplified lame54 Feb 2019 #19
Thems the facts. boston bean Feb 2019 #20
Partially told lame54 Feb 2019 #21
Says you. boston bean Feb 2019 #25
He was forced out. MicaelS Feb 2019 #24
Umm no. He decided to resign. Amongst many calls for him to do so. But still it was his choice. boston bean Feb 2019 #27
My last heart to you because ... tavernier Feb 2019 #124
Thank you very much for the heart and compliment. n/t MicaelS Feb 2019 #175
You're sounding like a Gillibrand surrogate, all about rushing... brush Feb 2019 #30
Umm. Who is gonna do this investigation. mr faifax's lawyers? boston bean Feb 2019 #38
Slow the hell down. Due process. Ever heard of it? brush Feb 2019 #58
A prosecutor brings a case. Not the victim. boston bean Feb 2019 #66
Are you totally devoid of any knowledge of the justice system? brush Feb 2019 #68
That is patently false. nt LexVegas Feb 2019 #79
What's false? At least follow the thread with whon... brush Feb 2019 #87
Did Dr. Ford file charges? Did you belive her? AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #83
For Gods sake. It's about due process. It's what our system is based on. brush Feb 2019 #88
There's no due process in a He said She said...with so many yrs gone AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #93
Saying there's no due process is frankly, silly. brush Feb 2019 #96
I actually had no idea if I believed Ford until both she and Kavenaugh testified under oath dsc Feb 2019 #123
I ttotally agree... FarPoint Feb 2019 #110
You seem devoid of facts....An accusation is made...maybe an arrest AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #86
Have the accusers file a police report, however it works... brush Feb 2019 #90
Did Dr Ford file? Did you call for due process for Kavenaugh? AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #97
Of course I called for an investigation for Dr. Ford's... brush Feb 2019 #100
he ain't going to jail. boston bean Feb 2019 #102
So..you can't source your call for due process.. AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #103
You dreally think trump didn't limit the FBI investigation? brush Feb 2019 #105
"I called for an investigation in the Dr. Ford case." AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #108
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #119
He most certainly did dsc Feb 2019 #125
Yes we did treestar Feb 2019 #192
I'll ask again...Did ANY accuser against shit head Kav file charges? AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #197
In one of these cases, the statute of limitations has not run treestar Feb 2019 #199
She reached out to Rep Bobby Scott in Oct '17.... AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #201
Agreed Mystery sage Feb 2019 #52
In a perfect world all three would go and Northam would appoint his successor before he resigned. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #76
I wish that could happen but the repug hit job is in full effect... brush Feb 2019 #85
How about the Va Dems calling for him to get the Hell out? AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #109
You don't know that just like I don't. brush Feb 2019 #116
Of course not, that doesn't mean repeat the same mistake on a different day uponit7771 Feb 2019 #42
That same mistake is perpetrated on victims of sexual assault on a daily basis. It is not uncommon. boston bean Feb 2019 #46
Which is part of what #metoo is about; due process while taking a persons accusations seriously uponit7771 Feb 2019 #55
There was an avenue for an investigation by the FBI with Kavanaugh. Trump told them to complete a boston bean Feb 2019 #60
Of course, if Fairfax knows such & demands to go down that "avenue" are you down with that? tia uponit7771 Feb 2019 #63
Yeah. I doubt he is down for that though. boston bean Feb 2019 #65
We'll see, BK's reluctance to go down the road of a proper investigation was the empirical evidence uponit7771 Feb 2019 #69
" that doesn't mean erase due process from one side" Empowerer Feb 2019 #113
You think convicting without evidence is fair? wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #72
Who was being convicted? boston bean Feb 2019 #81
Geez what a question. wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #92
Can you answer it? boston bean Feb 2019 #101
This. There is no comparison. While I do support an investigation, these allegations are a Squinch Feb 2019 #10
The same mistake would be Fairfax's also, he should demand an investigation and fairness uponit7771 Feb 2019 #45
Fairfax is a sexual predator as much as Harvey Weinstein. nt LexVegas Feb 2019 #16
Or Bill Cosby who got away with it for decades. Both of them did. boston bean Feb 2019 #17
You don't know that for sure. An investigation can... brush Feb 2019 #32
k&r! n/t halobeam Feb 2019 #26
K&R Kurt V. Feb 2019 #28
And you know that how? Dream Girl Feb 2019 #29
"And you wonder why women don't report." Jarqui Feb 2019 #31
The statute of limitations for rape in Massachusetts has not expires Empowerer Feb 2019 #33
In her MA case, probably due to a lack of evidence Jarqui Feb 2019 #36
The police and prosecutor decide if they have enough evidence to proceed, that's not up to the victi Empowerer Feb 2019 #91
I agree and never suggested otherwise that the police, a prosecutor or Jarqui Feb 2019 #104
Beyond a reasonable doubt is the criminal standard, but not political or public opinion Empowerer Feb 2019 #111
But that is not exclusively the job of the police or prosecutor. Jarqui Feb 2019 #118
A police investigation doesn't need to be a huge CSI undertaking Empowerer Feb 2019 #133
Fairfax has very good lawyers, right? Jarqui Feb 2019 #136
Sound like you think the law enforcement should never bother to investigate most sexal assault cases Empowerer Feb 2019 #137
That's a ridiculous strawman Jarqui Feb 2019 #145
"the Washington Post couldn't even put enough evidence together to print a story" Empowerer Feb 2019 #148
At least one of these women has agreed to testify for impeachment Jarqui Feb 2019 #160
That's good, but none of the politicians conducting the hearings are trained interrogators Empowerer Feb 2019 #168
Nonsense Jarqui Feb 2019 #173
Just because they're lawyers doesn't mean they are trained interrogatoes Empowerer Feb 2019 #174
The combination of them along with their ability Jarqui Feb 2019 #178
Then, based on that, you'd be fine with Trump shutting down Empowerer Feb 2019 #181
Another really, really silly strawman Jarqui Feb 2019 #183
Whatever Empowerer Feb 2019 #193
I said "Time will tell" and it did Jarqui Feb 2019 #194
Hummuna hummuna Empowerer Feb 2019 #195
You should just let this one go... Yuh busted EffieBlack Feb 2019 #196
Look in the mirror Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #202
Fairfax is now claiming both 'interactions were consensual' Jarqui Feb 2019 #165
I thought the charge indicated peggysue2 Feb 2019 #37
+1000 MustLoveBeagles Feb 2019 #35
How do you know we are talking rape? We need an investigation...but no matter what we deal Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #39
Because we are talking about rape. boston bean Feb 2019 #41
First of all ...that is what being attempted. If the LT general is forced out , the GOP legislature Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #54
Umm. Northam can replace a Fairfax by appointment and Northam resigns the new lt gov becomes g boston bean Feb 2019 #64
#metoo doesn't mean guilt by accusation, even Mueller had some kind of due process uponit7771 Feb 2019 #40
I am sorry. I didn't realize anyone was guilting by association. boston bean Feb 2019 #44
accusation ... a person should be afforded due process. There's no wisdom in receiving half the uponit7771 Feb 2019 #49
You keep saying that..."..his unwillingness to be truthful"..but have yet to show it. AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #89
This is false on its face. BK lied about the sex games ... uponit7771 Feb 2019 #122
seriously dsc Feb 2019 #128
I wasn't aware the FBI had corroberated ANY that in all of his vettings AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #184
This is patently false. CTAtheist Feb 2019 #48
Well.....not quite, IMO. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #62
I didn't say identical, I said similar. CTAtheist Feb 2019 #77
Well, no. It's not hearsay... Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #99
Hearsay CTAtheist Feb 2019 #112
yes and no dsc Feb 2019 #149
What value does that hold? CTAtheist Feb 2019 #161
By showing a few things dsc Feb 2019 #162
Those aren't valuable. CTAtheist Feb 2019 #166
actually the first removes the possibility of her ratfucking him dsc Feb 2019 #167
Again, not true. CTAtheist Feb 2019 #169
that is absurd dsc Feb 2019 #170
Maybe it is. CTAtheist Feb 2019 #171
What is implausible about the accounts of Ms. Tyson and Ms. Watson? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #177
I was referring to Ms. Tyson CTAtheist Feb 2019 #180
This message was self-deleted by its author Empowerer Feb 2019 #114
The similarity is the rush to judgement and no investigation. ooky Feb 2019 #121
I was skeptical at first only because the Fairfax stuff came out at the same time as the blackface Dopers_Greed Feb 2019 #53
Totally agree Charlotte Little Feb 2019 #56
+1 loyalsister Feb 2019 #98
Sorry, but I'm not going to stop until there's an investigation. kcr Feb 2019 #57
All three of these men should be replaced by scandal free women of substance. Rocky888 Feb 2019 #61
even if all of them were to be white dsc Feb 2019 #127
I never mentioned race and this was meant tongue and cheek without malice for anyone. Rocky888 Feb 2019 #172
I agree with Nancy... LakeArenal Feb 2019 #70
You stop it! Charge him bring evidence or STFU wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #71
If we demand the resignation of any Democratic elected official Mr.Bill Feb 2019 #73
Bullshit... Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #107
Then let's have due process and an investigation. Mr.Bill Feb 2019 #129
lol Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #131
If he resigns now, there's no jurisdiction for an investigation UNLESS Empowerer Feb 2019 #151
Just stop. Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #152
No, I don't think I will. Empowerer Feb 2019 #153
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #156
It is totally up to treestar Feb 2019 #185
This message was self-deleted by its author spooky3 Feb 2019 #176
I believe her.... nt Grey Feb 2019 #74
The impeachment process includes an investigation and trial. P. Hope (D-McLean, VA) says he is spooky3 Feb 2019 #94
Right on BB! StarryNite Feb 2019 #95
3-in-line taken out with a 4th repuke left standing?! In a SWING state?! donkeypoofed Feb 2019 #126
He should be investigated. Beakybird Feb 2019 #130
ALL Democrats being forced to resign DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #157
Sorry... Vinnie From Indy Feb 2019 #163
Picking An Unnecessary Fight ProfessorGAC Feb 2019 #182
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