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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
154. Of course we can forgive him
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 09:42 PM
Feb 2019

But, as I said, forgiveness doesn't mean that we don't have to expect him to atone and make amends. He doesn't just get to behave the way he did, go along with his life with no consequences, then when the truth comes out - through no effort on his part - say, "Sorry" and then continue moving along with his life as if nothing ever happened.

When Dylan Roof slaughtered those poor people at Mother Emmanuel in South Carolina, many of the victims' families told him they forgave him. But that didn't mean the charges were dropped or that he got to escape punishment.

Forgiveness is a gift, an act of grace. It's not a get out of jail free card.

And black folk are tired of being asked to forgive everyone for every wrong, but when we ask them to atone for or own up to the consequences of their behavior - or even go through a little inconvenience - we're told that WE are being unfair, WE are trying to destroy their lives, WE must let bygones be bygones.

No. It's time for people who actually do the bad deeds to actually share the burden of this process. And asking him to step down from the seat that black folk put him in and that he wouldn't have come close to getting if it weren't for the black folk who are now supposed to forgive and forget is not a heavy burden for him to bear.

At this time a man does not get the benefit of the doubt. Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #1
Why should Fairfax resign? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #2
That is all it takes these days. Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #7
Totally hear you though - horrors of history of wrongful accusations of black men. Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #51
Oral sex bpj62 Feb 2019 #73
My bad Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #150
But with Kavanaugh, there was a pattern of poor drunken behavior. So far nothing like that pnwmom Feb 2019 #137
Very true. Since no one will ever know, you have Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #149
And, as Effie wrote below, what if a woman had come out like this pnwmom Feb 2019 #151
No evidence to speak of with Kavenaugh was there? Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #156
But there WAS evidence with Kavanaugh. Christine had told people years before she went public pnwmom Feb 2019 #158
What about how he said WaPo found Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #159
Maybe he assumed that because they decided not to pursue it. I doubt he purposefully lied, pnwmom Feb 2019 #160
Oops another woman Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #164
Yeah, this changes everything. n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #165
Wow. You are really pretty cool ! Thanks Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #166
Thank you! I said I was reserving judgment, and I was. pnwmom Feb 2019 #167
Yes. My college roommate worked for government Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #168
Yeah, it's hard to understand that, isn't it? pnwmom Feb 2019 #170
Isn't it funny (not haha funny) that I can't think of Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #171
Well, I think it takes a "special" kind of person to behave like that. pnwmom Feb 2019 #172
oops! Another woman Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #163
Several news organizations have looked into the Fairfax allegation and have found nothing. fleur-de-lisa Feb 2019 #8
Not quite atreides1 Feb 2019 #13
You can't be serious njhoneybadger Feb 2019 #55
At least you're consistent EffieBlack Feb 2019 #61
No way should they both resign. The proof may be there on Northam blueinredohio Feb 2019 #107
Curious, who's next in line for the Governorship if both are gone?? a kennedy Feb 2019 #3
Mark Herring Dem Attorney General. Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #5
The GOP legislature can and will force a vote on a new Lt Governor...in the hopes of taking the Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #39
Won't matter if Northam and Fairfax simultaneously resign. Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #62
yeah and surprise surprise...Herring is now under attack. I stated that this is all GOP and Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #162
The Democratic AG EffieBlack Feb 2019 #6
"especially in the South" WeekiWater Feb 2019 #4
Is his accuser white? temporary311 Feb 2019 #9
Here is the information you requested DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #12
Holy shit, she seems ligit to me. I don't see why she would make this up njhoneybadger Feb 2019 #68
My thoughts DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #74
I don't see why either EffieBlack Feb 2019 #78
Dr. Vanessa Tyson atreides1 Feb 2019 #14
No - the operative color is the color of the accused. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #20
Because women of color, Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #33
You're treading waters far away from your pond, my dear EffieBlack Feb 2019 #37
Until specifically called on it, Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #56
The race of the accuser is irrelevant to the point I'm making, so there was no need to focus on it EffieBlack Feb 2019 #59
Her race and her status have to be taken into account theboss Feb 2019 #63
Since that's not what I said, there's no point in responding to the rest of your post EffieBlack Feb 2019 #65
Can be rat-fucking without her involvement? theboss Feb 2019 #69
Yes, it can be EffieBlack Feb 2019 #75
Has she even made a public accusation? jberryhill Feb 2019 #97
No, she hasn't EffieBlack Feb 2019 #102
Then much of this discussion is premature IMHO jberryhill Feb 2019 #105
The "with her permission" was claimed by the website that published it EffieBlack Feb 2019 #111
Okay, so.... jberryhill Feb 2019 #115
She has made the allegation - she just hasn't made it in public EffieBlack Feb 2019 #117
why would she do more? She saw how things worked out for the accusers of Kavanaugh. irresistable Feb 2019 #120
You see how even liberals treat her... Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #176
What do you think of the further info jberryhill Feb 2019 #124
This is an interesting question EffieBlack Feb 2019 #138
I think the chain of events is odd jberryhill Feb 2019 #140
"Has she stated it was done 'with her permission'?" OilemFirchen Feb 2019 #121
Ah, well, there you go jberryhill Feb 2019 #122
I'm not following this story closely. OilemFirchen Feb 2019 #126
Not yet jberryhill Feb 2019 #128
I see. OilemFirchen Feb 2019 #134
It usually is jberryhill Feb 2019 #135
It just occurred to me, based on your posts, pnwmom Feb 2019 #152
Good point atreides1 Feb 2019 #10
This is an African American woman, yes. But the operative fact is that the accused is a black man EffieBlack Feb 2019 #17
According to reports she's an intelligent, professional woman so I don't understand pnwmom Feb 2019 #67
I also find interesting how many people are willing to give her more credibility because she's EffieBlack Feb 2019 #76
I wasn't referring to her credibility. I was referring to her ability to judge the consequences pnwmom Feb 2019 #79
I understand - and don't think that's what you were doing EffieBlack Feb 2019 #81
I just can't see any clear end to this now. pnwmom Feb 2019 #84
Exactly. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #94
According to NPR she has hired the law firm that represented Chistine Ford still_one Feb 2019 #141
I'm waiting for some corroborating witnesses. The WA Post couldn't find any, pnwmom Feb 2019 #142
It is purely political now, whether that was intended or not by the accuser, it is too late, it has still_one Feb 2019 #147
lol melman Feb 2019 #85
How do you figure that? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #95
I hope and pray the allegations aren't true. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #11
This does not look good. irresistable Feb 2019 #27
All I will say is if we truly want to be the party of the good guys it comes with a price. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #41
You are right. It is much, much harder to be the good guys. irresistable Feb 2019 #43
The argument DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #48
If he did something like that to her, wouldn't you expect that it was part of a pattern? pnwmom Feb 2019 #91
I don't know. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #100
And he looks like an unlikely rapist. How can you tell by looking? pnwmom Feb 2019 #89
her choice of study, work, and volunteering is connected to sexual abuse irresistable Feb 2019 #118
She teaches political science and sexual abuse has not been her focus, much less her whole life. pnwmom Feb 2019 #123
What does a false accuser look like? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #96
That is irrelevant. When a woman makes an accusation like this, she should be believed. irresistable Feb 2019 #119
Why should she be believed over him in the absence of any evidence? pnwmom Feb 2019 #125
That's not what you said EffieBlack Feb 2019 #131
His accuser is a long time Democratic supporter madville Feb 2019 #15
Remember also she came forward before Blasey Ford Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #16
Blasey Ford had lots of corroborating evidence EffieBlack Feb 2019 #19
I was raped...until I had therapy 20 years later... Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #44
I'm so sorry EffieBlack Feb 2019 #47
thank you for your sympathy Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #53
I, too, believe in forgiveness. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #57
Did you not see the parade of DU posts Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #132
Forgiveness isn't a one way street. And it takes more than an apology to earn it and the slate isn't EffieBlack Feb 2019 #139
Forgiveness is not a two way street Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #148
Of course we can forgive him EffieBlack Feb 2019 #154
I understand you want that Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #155
"He did not do something to make you suffer." That's not true EffieBlack Feb 2019 #157
Northum, did not make you suffer Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #161
They found nothing wrong with her story but they also found nothing to prove it EffieBlack Feb 2019 #18
its being claimed as dirty tricks by Northam's office. Clearly no love lost between those two. I JCanete Feb 2019 #21
Northam's team was surely aware of the allegation since she shopped it to the Washington Post during EffieBlack Feb 2019 #22
That is pretty sickening. Of course, if this is Northam or his team behind it, it seems vindictive JCanete Feb 2019 #23
You're right. It could be the Republicans going after both men EffieBlack Feb 2019 #25
it's offensive to call it "shopping" Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #45
What bothers me about this is how quick some people were to defend Northam Empowerer Feb 2019 #24
Exactly! EffieBlack Feb 2019 #26
I tend to believe the woman, but in this case the timing is interesting to say the least. redstatebluegirl Feb 2019 #28
I tend to believe women in these situations, but that doesn't mean I believe the woman in EVERY EffieBlack Feb 2019 #29
I agree. redstatebluegirl Feb 2019 #30
Does this sound like the bio of someone who would make a false accusation? irresistable Feb 2019 #31
All manner of people can make false accusations notwithstanding their bio. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #34
It isn't merely outstanding....most of her bio is about helping sexual abuse victims.... irresistable Feb 2019 #35
"I wonder if there was a particular event in her life that influenced her choice." MosheFeingold Feb 2019 #40
Her book is about politics -- that's what most of her career has been related to. n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #133
No it doesn't. I don't how she could be more credible njhoneybadger Feb 2019 #72
In some quarters the allegation is all it takes peggysue2 Feb 2019 #32
I agree EffieBlack Feb 2019 #36
Concur a little MosheFeingold Feb 2019 #38
Let's be clear - I'm certainly not suggesting her accusation is based on racism EffieBlack Feb 2019 #42
But you are accusing her of being part of a ratfucking operation melman Feb 2019 #46
I didn't say what you claimed I said EffieBlack Feb 2019 #50
Oh, absolutely. MosheFeingold Feb 2019 #52
And right on cue - Jacob Wohl's stench is all over this RockaFowler Feb 2019 #49
Here we go EffieBlack Feb 2019 #54
A black woman taking money from a RW grifter would probably have a hard time too theboss Feb 2019 #60
Since I haven't accused her of anything, I shouldn't even waste my time responding EffieBlack Feb 2019 #64
I think they are all possible theboss Feb 2019 #70
2+3 she needs a motive and Fairfax would probably know that motive njhoneybadger Feb 2019 #83
Educated women aren't any less likely to have emotional issues than uneducated ones EffieBlack Feb 2019 #93
Yes of course, I was referring to the stupidity, anyone can have a mental illness njhoneybadger Feb 2019 #153
Effie has never implied that the woman was a tool of right-wing grifters. pnwmom Feb 2019 #136
So a decorated college professor decided that $15K from Jacob Freakin Wohl was too tempting theboss Feb 2019 #58
Jacob Wohl isn't offering the money to her, nor did RockaFowler suggest he did EffieBlack Feb 2019 #66
So you disagree with #49 that this has Wohl's stench on it? theboss Feb 2019 #71
I think it does have Wohl's stench all over it EffieBlack Feb 2019 #80
What does that even mean? theboss Feb 2019 #88
Ii explained myself in very plain English that should be easy to understand EffieBlack Feb 2019 #98
Then why bring him up? theboss Feb 2019 #110
Maybe for the same reason you're commenting on my comment on someone else bringing him up ... EffieBlack Feb 2019 #112
LOL pnwmom Feb 2019 #130
If any woman comes forward who was paid by him, her claim would have zero credibility. pnwmom Feb 2019 #129
Not believing women is also a time honored tactic. lark Feb 2019 #77
True. But that's an issue that has been discussed and highlighted and our entire society is EffieBlack Feb 2019 #90
I understand that ugly sordid history. lark Feb 2019 #104
Remember when the woman was accusing the Duke students? And she was lying. pnwmom Feb 2019 #92
Such a sore subject. lark Feb 2019 #99
I think most women are probably torn. But I'm uncomfortable with a new standard pnwmom Feb 2019 #101
Then we on the Left need to figure this out theboss Feb 2019 #103
I don't think we should "believe all women" over all men in the absence of any evidence. pnwmom Feb 2019 #108
Imagine how history would have changed if Barack Obama was accused of assaulting a woman EffieBlack Feb 2019 #143
So, the MeToo movement, with all the good it has done, pnwmom Feb 2019 #145
Its not that way in the courts. lark Feb 2019 #106
If there is no other evidence then there is reasonable doubt. pnwmom Feb 2019 #109
Well, it's satisfying to some people ... EffieBlack Feb 2019 #113
Right -- I did forget for a moment. pnwmom Feb 2019 #114
At this point, it doesn't matter if it's true or not EffieBlack Feb 2019 #116
Now the story is that she's hired a law firm. And her name is out there. pnwmom Feb 2019 #127
Yep Hekate Feb 2019 #82
A seriously complicated issue. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #86
A good standard Loki Liesmith Feb 2019 #87
You are right, but regardless they will still_one Feb 2019 #144
For those who wonder about the timing MaryMagdaline Feb 2019 #146
... LexVegas Feb 2019 #169
You need to take your concerns to all the presidential candidates calling for resignations pault420 Feb 2019 #173
As someone on DU once said.... jberryhill Feb 2019 #174
Correction: Jose Garcia Feb 2019 #175
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