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53. thank you for your sympathy

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 05:30 PM

Feb 2019

perhaps

the fact that I had to forgive my rapists
the fact that I had to forgive my father for abandoning us
the fact that I had to forgive my parents and grandparents for their racism and anti-semitism
the fact that I had to forgive my christian relatives for their intolerance

makes it easier for you to understand that I can forgive Northam for his ugly actions without being a racist myself and I can have empathy for the pain and disgust felt by you and others

I can acknowledge that the claim against Fairfax has not risen to the level where he should resign without being a promoter of rape culture myself

I believe in forgiveness

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Elephant in the Room: Falsely accusing black men of rape is an old tactic, especially in the South [View all] EffieBlack Feb 2019 OP

At this time a man does not get the benefit of the doubt. Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #1

Why should Fairfax resign? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #2

That is all it takes these days. Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #7

Totally hear you though - horrors of history of wrongful accusations of black men. Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #51

Oral sex bpj62 Feb 2019 #73

My bad Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #150

But with Kavanaugh, there was a pattern of poor drunken behavior. So far nothing like that pnwmom Feb 2019 #137

Very true. Since no one will ever know, you have Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #149

And, as Effie wrote below, what if a woman had come out like this pnwmom Feb 2019 #151

No evidence to speak of with Kavenaugh was there? Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #156

But there WAS evidence with Kavanaugh. Christine had told people years before she went public pnwmom Feb 2019 #158

What about how he said WaPo found Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #159

Maybe he assumed that because they decided not to pursue it. I doubt he purposefully lied, pnwmom Feb 2019 #160

Oops another woman Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #164

Yeah, this changes everything. n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #165

Wow. You are really pretty cool ! Thanks Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #166

Thank you! I said I was reserving judgment, and I was. pnwmom Feb 2019 #167

Yes. My college roommate worked for government Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #168

Yeah, it's hard to understand that, isn't it? pnwmom Feb 2019 #170

Isn't it funny (not haha funny) that I can't think of Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #171

Well, I think it takes a "special" kind of person to behave like that. pnwmom Feb 2019 #172

oops! Another woman Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #163

Several news organizations have looked into the Fairfax allegation and have found nothing. fleur-de-lisa Feb 2019 #8

Not quite atreides1 Feb 2019 #13

You can't be serious njhoneybadger Feb 2019 #55

At least you're consistent EffieBlack Feb 2019 #61

No way should they both resign. The proof may be there on Northam blueinredohio Feb 2019 #107

Curious, who's next in line for the Governorship if both are gone?? a kennedy Feb 2019 #3

Mark Herring Dem Attorney General. Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #5

The GOP legislature can and will force a vote on a new Lt Governor...in the hopes of taking the Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #39

Won't matter if Northam and Fairfax simultaneously resign. Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #62

yeah and surprise surprise...Herring is now under attack. I stated that this is all GOP and Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #162

The Democratic AG EffieBlack Feb 2019 #6

"especially in the South" WeekiWater Feb 2019 #4

Is his accuser white? temporary311 Feb 2019 #9

Here is the information you requested DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #12

Holy shit, she seems ligit to me. I don't see why she would make this up njhoneybadger Feb 2019 #68

My thoughts DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #74

I don't see why either EffieBlack Feb 2019 #78

Dr. Vanessa Tyson atreides1 Feb 2019 #14

No - the operative color is the color of the accused. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #20

Because women of color, Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #33

You're treading waters far away from your pond, my dear EffieBlack Feb 2019 #37

Until specifically called on it, Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #56

The race of the accuser is irrelevant to the point I'm making, so there was no need to focus on it EffieBlack Feb 2019 #59

Her race and her status have to be taken into account theboss Feb 2019 #63

Since that's not what I said, there's no point in responding to the rest of your post EffieBlack Feb 2019 #65

Can be rat-fucking without her involvement? theboss Feb 2019 #69

Yes, it can be EffieBlack Feb 2019 #75

Has she even made a public accusation? jberryhill Feb 2019 #97

No, she hasn't EffieBlack Feb 2019 #102

Then much of this discussion is premature IMHO jberryhill Feb 2019 #105

The "with her permission" was claimed by the website that published it EffieBlack Feb 2019 #111

Okay, so.... jberryhill Feb 2019 #115

She has made the allegation - she just hasn't made it in public EffieBlack Feb 2019 #117

why would she do more? She saw how things worked out for the accusers of Kavanaugh. irresistable Feb 2019 #120

You see how even liberals treat her... Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #176

What do you think of the further info jberryhill Feb 2019 #124

This is an interesting question EffieBlack Feb 2019 #138

I think the chain of events is odd jberryhill Feb 2019 #140

"Has she stated it was done 'with her permission'?" OilemFirchen Feb 2019 #121

Ah, well, there you go jberryhill Feb 2019 #122

I'm not following this story closely. OilemFirchen Feb 2019 #126

Not yet jberryhill Feb 2019 #128

I see. OilemFirchen Feb 2019 #134

It usually is jberryhill Feb 2019 #135

It just occurred to me, based on your posts, pnwmom Feb 2019 #152

Good point atreides1 Feb 2019 #10

This is an African American woman, yes. But the operative fact is that the accused is a black man EffieBlack Feb 2019 #17

According to reports she's an intelligent, professional woman so I don't understand pnwmom Feb 2019 #67

I also find interesting how many people are willing to give her more credibility because she's EffieBlack Feb 2019 #76

I wasn't referring to her credibility. I was referring to her ability to judge the consequences pnwmom Feb 2019 #79

I understand - and don't think that's what you were doing EffieBlack Feb 2019 #81

I just can't see any clear end to this now. pnwmom Feb 2019 #84

Exactly. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #94

According to NPR she has hired the law firm that represented Chistine Ford still_one Feb 2019 #141

I'm waiting for some corroborating witnesses. The WA Post couldn't find any, pnwmom Feb 2019 #142

It is purely political now, whether that was intended or not by the accuser, it is too late, it has still_one Feb 2019 #147

lol melman Feb 2019 #85

How do you figure that? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #95

I hope and pray the allegations aren't true. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #11

This does not look good. irresistable Feb 2019 #27

All I will say is if we truly want to be the party of the good guys it comes with a price. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #41

You are right. It is much, much harder to be the good guys. irresistable Feb 2019 #43

The argument DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #48

If he did something like that to her, wouldn't you expect that it was part of a pattern? pnwmom Feb 2019 #91

I don't know. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #100

And he looks like an unlikely rapist. How can you tell by looking? pnwmom Feb 2019 #89

her choice of study, work, and volunteering is connected to sexual abuse irresistable Feb 2019 #118

She teaches political science and sexual abuse has not been her focus, much less her whole life. pnwmom Feb 2019 #123

What does a false accuser look like? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #96

That is irrelevant. When a woman makes an accusation like this, she should be believed. irresistable Feb 2019 #119

Why should she be believed over him in the absence of any evidence? pnwmom Feb 2019 #125

That's not what you said EffieBlack Feb 2019 #131

His accuser is a long time Democratic supporter madville Feb 2019 #15

Remember also she came forward before Blasey Ford Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #16

Blasey Ford had lots of corroborating evidence EffieBlack Feb 2019 #19

I was raped...until I had therapy 20 years later... Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #44

I'm so sorry EffieBlack Feb 2019 #47

thank you for your sympathy Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #53

I, too, believe in forgiveness. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #57

Did you not see the parade of DU posts Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #132

Forgiveness isn't a one way street. And it takes more than an apology to earn it and the slate isn't EffieBlack Feb 2019 #139

Forgiveness is not a two way street Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #148

Of course we can forgive him EffieBlack Feb 2019 #154

I understand you want that Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #155

"He did not do something to make you suffer." That's not true EffieBlack Feb 2019 #157

Northum, did not make you suffer Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #161

They found nothing wrong with her story but they also found nothing to prove it EffieBlack Feb 2019 #18

its being claimed as dirty tricks by Northam's office. Clearly no love lost between those two. I JCanete Feb 2019 #21

Northam's team was surely aware of the allegation since she shopped it to the Washington Post during EffieBlack Feb 2019 #22

That is pretty sickening. Of course, if this is Northam or his team behind it, it seems vindictive JCanete Feb 2019 #23

You're right. It could be the Republicans going after both men EffieBlack Feb 2019 #25

it's offensive to call it "shopping" Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #45

What bothers me about this is how quick some people were to defend Northam Empowerer Feb 2019 #24

Exactly! EffieBlack Feb 2019 #26

I tend to believe the woman, but in this case the timing is interesting to say the least. redstatebluegirl Feb 2019 #28

I tend to believe women in these situations, but that doesn't mean I believe the woman in EVERY EffieBlack Feb 2019 #29

I agree. redstatebluegirl Feb 2019 #30

Does this sound like the bio of someone who would make a false accusation? irresistable Feb 2019 #31

All manner of people can make false accusations notwithstanding their bio. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #34

It isn't merely outstanding....most of her bio is about helping sexual abuse victims.... irresistable Feb 2019 #35

"I wonder if there was a particular event in her life that influenced her choice." MosheFeingold Feb 2019 #40

Her book is about politics -- that's what most of her career has been related to. n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #133

No it doesn't. I don't how she could be more credible njhoneybadger Feb 2019 #72

In some quarters the allegation is all it takes peggysue2 Feb 2019 #32

I agree EffieBlack Feb 2019 #36

Concur a little MosheFeingold Feb 2019 #38

Let's be clear - I'm certainly not suggesting her accusation is based on racism EffieBlack Feb 2019 #42

But you are accusing her of being part of a ratfucking operation melman Feb 2019 #46

I didn't say what you claimed I said EffieBlack Feb 2019 #50

Oh, absolutely. MosheFeingold Feb 2019 #52

And right on cue - Jacob Wohl's stench is all over this RockaFowler Feb 2019 #49

Here we go EffieBlack Feb 2019 #54

A black woman taking money from a RW grifter would probably have a hard time too theboss Feb 2019 #60

Since I haven't accused her of anything, I shouldn't even waste my time responding EffieBlack Feb 2019 #64

I think they are all possible theboss Feb 2019 #70

2+3 she needs a motive and Fairfax would probably know that motive njhoneybadger Feb 2019 #83

Educated women aren't any less likely to have emotional issues than uneducated ones EffieBlack Feb 2019 #93

Yes of course, I was referring to the stupidity, anyone can have a mental illness njhoneybadger Feb 2019 #153

Effie has never implied that the woman was a tool of right-wing grifters. pnwmom Feb 2019 #136

So a decorated college professor decided that $15K from Jacob Freakin Wohl was too tempting theboss Feb 2019 #58

Jacob Wohl isn't offering the money to her, nor did RockaFowler suggest he did EffieBlack Feb 2019 #66

So you disagree with #49 that this has Wohl's stench on it? theboss Feb 2019 #71

I think it does have Wohl's stench all over it EffieBlack Feb 2019 #80

What does that even mean? theboss Feb 2019 #88

Ii explained myself in very plain English that should be easy to understand EffieBlack Feb 2019 #98

Then why bring him up? theboss Feb 2019 #110

Maybe for the same reason you're commenting on my comment on someone else bringing him up ... EffieBlack Feb 2019 #112

LOL pnwmom Feb 2019 #130

If any woman comes forward who was paid by him, her claim would have zero credibility. pnwmom Feb 2019 #129

Not believing women is also a time honored tactic. lark Feb 2019 #77

True. But that's an issue that has been discussed and highlighted and our entire society is EffieBlack Feb 2019 #90

I understand that ugly sordid history. lark Feb 2019 #104

Remember when the woman was accusing the Duke students? And she was lying. pnwmom Feb 2019 #92

Such a sore subject. lark Feb 2019 #99

I think most women are probably torn. But I'm uncomfortable with a new standard pnwmom Feb 2019 #101

Then we on the Left need to figure this out theboss Feb 2019 #103

I don't think we should "believe all women" over all men in the absence of any evidence. pnwmom Feb 2019 #108

Imagine how history would have changed if Barack Obama was accused of assaulting a woman EffieBlack Feb 2019 #143

So, the MeToo movement, with all the good it has done, pnwmom Feb 2019 #145

Its not that way in the courts. lark Feb 2019 #106

If there is no other evidence then there is reasonable doubt. pnwmom Feb 2019 #109

Well, it's satisfying to some people ... EffieBlack Feb 2019 #113

Right -- I did forget for a moment. pnwmom Feb 2019 #114

At this point, it doesn't matter if it's true or not EffieBlack Feb 2019 #116

Now the story is that she's hired a law firm. And her name is out there. pnwmom Feb 2019 #127

Yep Hekate Feb 2019 #82

A seriously complicated issue. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #86

A good standard Loki Liesmith Feb 2019 #87

You are right, but regardless they will still_one Feb 2019 #144

For those who wonder about the timing MaryMagdaline Feb 2019 #146

... LexVegas Feb 2019 #169

You need to take your concerns to all the presidential candidates calling for resignations pault420 Feb 2019 #173

As someone on DU once said.... jberryhill Feb 2019 #174

Correction: Jose Garcia Feb 2019 #175