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Response to whopis01 (Reply #33)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 10:14 PM

35. The facts remain.


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On-Edit: The link I pasted below is getting gummed-up in DU's HTML editor. It is lawcenter DOT giffords DOT org/gun-laws/state-law/50-state-summaries/preemption-state-by-state/

I stated above that there could easily be 20,000+ municipal laws on the DISCHARGE of firearms within city limits.

Looking at the Giffords Center clearinghouse on state laws:


I see that MOST (if not all - I don't plan to comb through all 50) states have exceptions to their preemption laws, and regulations about where and how firearms may be discharged within city limits are pretty routine in what I'd read.

Looking at my home state of NC, there are exceptions to preemption galore:

North Carolina provides for several exceptions to its preemption law:

Cities and counties may enact non-discriminatory regulations or prohibitions of firearms sales at a location if there is a “lawful, general, similar regulation or prohibition of commercial activities” at the location.

Cities and counties may enact general zoning plans that prohibit commercial activity within a fixed distance of a school or other educational institution without a special use permit issued for a commercial activity found not to pose a danger to the public health and safety of those attending that school or institution.

Cities and counties may regulate or prohibit possession of firearms in, or on the grounds or in the parking areas of, publicly owned buildings, public parks, or recreation areas.

A local government may adopt an ordinance to prohibit, by posting, the carrying of a concealed handgun on a municipal and county playground, athletic field, swimming pool, or athletic facility, although a concealed handgun permittee may still secure a handgun within the trunk, glove box, or other enclosed compartment or area of a locked vehicle. Local governments are expressly prohibited from enacting other ordinances, rules, or regulations concerning legally carrying a concealed handgun.

Cities and counties may regulate the transportation, carrying, and possession of firearms by their employees in the course of that employment.

Cities and counties continue to have emergency powers as specified by statute (though North Carolina generally prevents cities and counties from enacting prohibitions or restrictions on lawfully possessed firearms or ammunition during states of emergency).

Cities and counties may regulate or prohibit the discharge of firearms at any time or place, except when lawfully used to take animals (counties only), in defense of person or property, or when pursuant to lawful directions of law enforcement officers.

Cities and counties may regulate the display of firearms on public roads, sidewalks, alleys or other public property.

Cities and counties may regulate or prohibit the sale, possession or use of pellet guns.

So that's nine categories of exceptions available to every incorporated town and city in NC. That's a lot of potential laws.

Let's just review where we are at, now whopis01:

-You mischaracterized my paraphrasing of former Democratic Representative John Dingell as NRA bs propaganda.

-You cited a figure for gun laws across the country that is off by at least one, and probably two orders of magnitude.
-You doubled-down on an erroneous interpretation of state preemption laws, without citing a single source.

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