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The Velveteen Ocelot

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63. Labor contracts are agreements between the union and the employer.

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:01 PM

Jan 2019

An airline employees' union can strike if the employer violates the contract - but only after weeks and weeks of mediation under the RLA, if they are airline employees. And there's another wrinkle to the RLA: The president can cancel a strike if the strike is causing significant harm to interstate travel. You really think Trump wouldn't call off an airline strike?

Likewise, the air traffic controllers' union's contract is between the union and its employer, the FAA - not the federal government in general. If the FAA violates the contract there are some negotiating procedures but the controllers can't strike. The principle of sovereign immunity would also prohibit them from suing the government.

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Trump's shutdown is 'unraveling' the aviation system -- and soon planes will stop flying: union reps [View all] bdamomma Jan 2019 OP

If they are 'days away' then there is one group that could end this in a couple of hours and that UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #1

I hate this bdamomma Jan 2019 #2

And EVERYBODY in this country apart from trumplodytes would see a walkout as entirely reasonable. Goodheart Jan 2019 #6

He will not care pangaia Jan 2019 #15

There is no such thing as an "aviation department." The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #36

Well if there was some way for them to all work in concert..or everybody except the UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #45

Aviation dept? cwydro Jan 2019 #76

Putin is thrilled spinbaby Jan 2019 #3

+100 Duppers Jan 2019 #26

Yep. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2019 #72

Airline pilots could strike in solidarity with wait traffic controllers YessirAtsaFact Jan 2019 #4

I doubt it. pangaia Jan 2019 #16

Air traffic controllers can't strike; it's illegal. PATCO tried it in 1981 The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #34

I'm talking about a strike in sympathy for ATC YessirAtsaFact Jan 2019 #38

The pilots couldn't strike either, because the law allows a strike only if The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #40

I didn't say it was legal but if air travel stops YessirAtsaFact Jan 2019 #48

The question though is one of public safety BEFORE a labor action. KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2019 #61

Labor contracts are agreements between the union and the employer. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #63

Agree BUT bluestarone Jan 2019 #68

So, the question remains.... KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2019 #70

don't these jerks tRump, Miller and his regime bdamomma Jan 2019 #5

The article goes on to state, medications, various other life saving goods will be affected by this. dewsgirl Jan 2019 #7

this is sickening bdamomma Jan 2019 #9

Carl Berstein said, he has sources Mueller has info that Trump is intentionally helping Putin dewsgirl Jan 2019 #11

I don't know that Putin specifically asked for this but . . . peggysue2 Jan 2019 #23

nt bdamomma Jan 2019 #42

So why don't our networks show that? greymattermom Jan 2019 #55

$$$$$$ Viewers $$$$$advertising $$$$$$ ratings$$$$ Delmette2.0 Jan 2019 #58

There is a lot they don't air, that is fact. They seem to ease the audience into dewsgirl Jan 2019 #60

I can't answer that question but I posted a clip about the Russian attitude . . . peggysue2 Jan 2019 #62

Many Americans are easily duped. We've been dumbed down. triron Jan 2019 #64

dumbed down bdamomma Jan 2019 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author peggysue2 Jan 2019 #30

A Russian Oligarch who owns steel mills in the USA would make a killing. OMGWTF Jan 2019 #59

Well Carl Bernstein is saying that not Alex Jones so I listen to what you are saying with a keen UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #66

Don't forget transplant organs! MoonRiver Jan 2019 #35

The only way to end the shut down is to malaise Jan 2019 #8

Malaise bdamomma Jan 2019 #10

Yep malaise Jan 2019 #12

Are you so sure of that? Texin Jan 2019 #18

If he wants 4-6 hour lines at the airport cagefreesoylentgreen Jan 2019 #75

Eventually the pilots union is going to walk out Takket Jan 2019 #13

As long as the tRump Scarsdale Jan 2019 #14

However, it will be Mitch McConnell TrishaJ Jan 2019 #21

Everyone will be grounded, even the rich, so there will be a breaking point but elmac Jan 2019 #24

Great! Have flights bought and paid for to fly to Thailand on 2-11 Heartstrings Jan 2019 #51

I'm flying internationally on February 2. cwydro Jan 2019 #77

I'm flying within the US on the 11th -- I have no idea whether I will be able Nay Jan 2019 #79

Even AF1 is controlled by ATC. It can't take off or land or go anywhere The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #52

I don't believe that for a minute. pangaia Jan 2019 #17

Big problem with that idea: Airline labor relations are governed by The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #69

Was going to fly to Arizona but am driving instead because of the orange maggots shutdown kimbutgar Jan 2019 #19

How much more can the government workers take? shockey80 Jan 2019 #20

This could create a catastrophic and cascading series of crises. Texin Jan 2019 #22

well, the wall street barometer keeps saying clear skys ahead elmac Jan 2019 #25

Stock market is the canary in coal mine at140 Jan 2019 #33

expectation barometer Nasruddin Jan 2019 #54

Maybe if the planes get interrupted people will finally get the idea lovemydogs Jan 2019 #27

This is what happens when people vote for candidates who have disdain for government. CrispyQ Jan 2019 #28

Maybe, the capitalists are planning on Equinox Moon Jan 2019 #29

Yes they are hoping to do that - but I don't think they have a clue how to go about it FakeNoose Jan 2019 #39

and of course bdamomma Jan 2019 #44

Not all at once. I was thinking about the airports. Equinox Moon Jan 2019 #65

That's what happened with the Soviet Union and was praised in the U.S. as the rise of capitalism. LiberalArkie Jan 2019 #56

Air travel is already privatized, with the single exception of air traffic control. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #31

That might be a good thing. Autumn Jan 2019 #32

Why haven't the CEOs of airlines paid him a visit? Ilsa Jan 2019 #37

CEO's: We may have to threaten a shutdown of our own due to lack of personnel needed in order UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #46

Reaganism personified. GoneOffShore Jan 2019 #41

Some of yall still arent getting it. Trump would be nothing if it werent for the large no. of Kashkakat v.2.0 Jan 2019 #43

absolutely spot on Locrian Jan 2019 #50

My daugher is stuck in CA onlyadream Jan 2019 #47

Trump is still getting cash flow into his businesses. Maybe we need to picket NCjack Jan 2019 #49

part and parcel of the plot to shutter America. Grasswire2 Jan 2019 #53

No, it's Putin's shutdown. When will the media figure that out?? triron Jan 2019 #57

I can't plan my yearly trip to Flouda because of doc03 Jan 2019 #71

Yup. bdamomma Jan 2019 #73

KR!!! Cha Jan 2019 #74

Privatizing the air traffic control system has been a GOP goal for nearly 50 years. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2019 #78