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struggle4progress

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235. "The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story"
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 12:43 PM
Aug 2012
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Berättar om anklagelserna mot Wikileaks grundare Julian Assange

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article7652935.ab
if the allegations were true then Sweden has acted in the most disgusting manner Swagman Aug 2012 #1
How many times do you have to be told how the Swedish system works? hack89 Aug 2012 #22
dream on. Swagman Aug 2012 #26
Lawyers negotiate the arrest of their clients all the time. hack89 Aug 2012 #27
She can arrest him there - there's an unprecedented Interpol arrest warrant for questioning! riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #39
If she was to arrest him in London would Assange surrender and go back to Sweden? hack89 Aug 2012 #48
I'm sure he'd have no choice unless he found a way to suicide himself riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #51
Too bad she cannot arrest him in London. hack89 Aug 2012 #52
The British police just recently arrested 11 Icelandic bankers on Interpol arrest warrants riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #57
Yes - and those bankers will go through a extradition hearing like Assange hack89 Aug 2012 #64
Sure he will, Sweden just has to give him an assurance they won't extradite him to the US. Simple riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #67
He is not in the position to demand anything. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #71
US intends to extradite Assange, cables show riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #72
Did you actually read that article? hack89 Aug 2012 #74
Obviously tama Aug 2012 #143
Obviously he is tama Aug 2012 #129
I meant he is not in the position to make demands that will be met. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #135
He is if they want to interview him Aerows Aug 2012 #191
Did you see how small the embassy is? hack89 Aug 2012 #195
Exactly Aerows Aug 2012 #190
Yes he is, and I expect that annoys you. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #255
How? hack89 Aug 2012 #258
Apparently he does have a legal leg to stand on or he wouldn't be sitting in the Embassy sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #274
Didn't I just say that he will stay in the embassy? hack89 Aug 2012 #275
Lol, the Daily Mail! sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #276
Do you understand that he cannot run Wikileaks from the embassy? hack89 Aug 2012 #277
Neutralized? He just got the support of the entire continent of South America, sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #278
No - Assange did not get the support of the entire continent of South America hack89 Aug 2012 #279
I give up. If you cannot understand what happened here, I don't have time to waste sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #280
Painting oneself into a corner is a funny definition of checkmate hack89 Aug 2012 #281
You're free to stop painting yourself into a corner anytime you choose. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #282
How do you think this will end? nt hack89 Aug 2012 #283
No she can't. hack89 Aug 2012 #55
Yes, the UK police do this all the time riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #59
The British police did arrest Assange once and were preparing to arrest him again hack89 Aug 2012 #68
I see nothing in your comments that preclude or even defend the Swedish prosecutor from interviewing hlthe2b Aug 2012 #53
Because the interview is the final step before charges and arrest hack89 Aug 2012 #58
The Brits have already agreed to extradict him. There is no reason NOT to interview him in London. hlthe2b Aug 2012 #61
FAIL: Sweden interviews suspects in OTHER countries: kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #69
The point being argued is that the Swedes can't arrest someone in a foreign country hack89 Aug 2012 #73
Your "point" is bullshit. You don't have one anymore. kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #79
Why should they participate in a farce? hack89 Aug 2012 #81
In defeat, you flail about wildly kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #91
So you honestly believe that Assange would have surrendered to Swedish authorities hack89 Aug 2012 #94
You do not disappoint me! kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #96
But you won't answer - because you know what Assange would have done. hack89 Aug 2012 #99
go kenny! robinlynne Aug 2012 #147
Because they CREATED the farce when prosecutors were ORDERED... TheMadMonk Aug 2012 #98
He does not deserve special consideration hack89 Aug 2012 #102
Wishfull thinking from your part, obviously n/t tama Aug 2012 #112
which particular British law has he broken reorg Aug 2012 #197
You are aware that he had been arrested in Britain and was under house arrest? hack89 Aug 2012 #198
Yes, I am aware of that. Which particular British law has he broken reorg Aug 2012 #201
Ecsaping from confinment, fleeing justice and violating bail conditions hack89 Aug 2012 #205
it is not important but typical reorg Aug 2012 #210
He has potentially committed two "Offences against the administration of public justice" hack89 Aug 2012 #211
Not "should" tama Aug 2012 #113
Assange did surrender to the British Authorities. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #159
Please actually read my posts before answering them hack89 Aug 2012 #162
He sought asylum in the Ecuadoran Embassy and in the expert opinions of sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #166
Spot on malokvale77 Aug 2012 #200
Bravo. Well said. Matariki Aug 2012 #208
Yep, that's about the size of it. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #263
Thank you. I knew this info was out there but I didn't have time to look for it. Luminous Animal Aug 2012 #126
So why don't they go ahead and interview him? HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #254
Assange fled Sweden the day before he was to be interviewed. hack89 Aug 2012 #257
Hmmm... Not at all the story. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #260
That is what his lawyer said under oath in a British court. hack89 Aug 2012 #261
Here is the real truth. hack89 Aug 2012 #262
His lawyer had asked for an interview for weeks and was refused. He was then told it was okay sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #264
The lawyer(and thus Assange) knew seven days in advance of Assange's interview. hack89 Aug 2012 #265
I live in country next to Sweden tama Aug 2012 #105
So Assange willingly choose indefinite incarceration in the Ecuadorian embassy. hack89 Aug 2012 #106
At least there he has computer access tama Aug 2012 #111
I suspect that Ecuador has put strict limits on his activities hack89 Aug 2012 #128
You are big on suspecting and making innuendo tama Aug 2012 #136
So Correa, the president who jails journalists for daring to criticize him hack89 Aug 2012 #141
Again just misinformation tama Aug 2012 #146
He's having a great time according to his beautiful, female Australian legal advisor. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #219
I doubt he is working on Wikileaks hack89 Aug 2012 #221
Being a journalist is breaking the law? Lol! sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #222
You keep genuflecting in the direction of St Assange hack89 Aug 2012 #224
And since the police DID interview Assange and have been free to do so again sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #160
The 'legal impediments' was Assange's extradition hearing hack89 Aug 2012 #163
Well now you are proving HIS point, his reason for not being willing to trust them. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #167
Once again - the Swedish system is not like America. hack89 Aug 2012 #170
Then why have the refused to accept his repeated invitations to speak to him? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #171
They can't charge him until he is interviewed. He is a suspect, not a witness. hack89 Aug 2012 #172
What utter bs. Of course they can charge him and THEN arrest him. You have sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #173
And has been demonstrated to you over and over, they can arrest him in the UK. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #174
They did. There was an extradition hearing hack89 Aug 2012 #175
Then why pray tell do you say over and over that "they can't arrest him"? They can riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #176
So you support the British entering the embassy and arresting him? hack89 Aug 2012 #181
I absolutely do NOT support violating the sovereignty of a foreign embassy riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #182
The Swedes could not have arrested him in London hack89 Aug 2012 #185
Oh, its just arrest, "in general".... riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #189
So you think the Swedish police have arrest powers in Britain? Really? nt hack89 Aug 2012 #192
That is so much bs. If they believe there is sufficient evidence to arrest him, they don't need 1monster Aug 2012 #203
The Swedes told his lawyer he was to be interviewed and most likey arrested hack89 Aug 2012 #207
As has been pointed out by others here, and I remember this myself, 1monster Aug 2012 #215
His lawyer testified to this in a British court - it is a matter of public record hack89 Aug 2012 #216
I think this is a lost cause hack89 dendrobium Aug 2012 #168
Sweden has done so before HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #179
But they cannot arrest suspects on foreign soil. hack89 Aug 2012 #180
Wow, are you ever misinformed! HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #194
You might want to talk to Assange's lawyer - he would disagree with you. hack89 Aug 2012 #196
No he did not. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #199
So why did his Swedish lawyer testify otherwise? nt hack89 Aug 2012 #206
yep. mine too. cali Aug 2012 #2
Du rec. Nt xchrom Aug 2012 #3
Of course. But expect the dutiful MIC apologists here to say otherwise. villager Aug 2012 #4
I get so sick of the stupid applications of that label cali Aug 2012 #7
there are lots of ways to internalize a narrative provided by society's owners villager Aug 2012 #82
lol. jargon cracks me up. cali Aug 2012 #84
Like "lol" in internet posts? villager Aug 2012 #86
It's not the disagreement, it's the apologies and situational ethics. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #108
Been outta loop, what's MIC short for? nt tama Aug 2012 #144
Military Industrial Complex. Its something Eisenhower first put into common usage riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #157
Thanks, shouldda known tama Aug 2012 #158
That right there Aerows Aug 2012 #5
Exactly. hifiguy Aug 2012 #63
Ecuador is being commended now all over the world. The Brits and Sweden are being sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #6
--- also need a boycott of U.K. jerseyjack Aug 2012 #13
Yeah, there is big difference tama Aug 2012 #119
+1B. Blatant political persecution. Disgusting. magical thyme Aug 2012 #8
Not all of the Assange-haters are RW trolls. The Doctor. Aug 2012 #9
And milquetoast centrists nxylas Aug 2012 #10
well, I find him repugnant cali Aug 2012 #14
While I don't go so far as to think him repugnant, KitSileya Aug 2012 #32
That is how I feel about him and the situation as a whole. NCTraveler Aug 2012 #70
Yup tama Aug 2012 #120
I think this describes the feelings of a lot of people LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #137
That is primarily the US's fault muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #11
that is true. And why don't they? Swagman Aug 2012 #18
There's nothing to reveal. jeff47 Aug 2012 #30
+1. Good point. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #35
Yes! And no doubt the US wants a secret or military trial... HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #43
"--- You can't give a blanket pardon to someone before seeing the evidence..." jerseyjack Aug 2012 #12
he isn't asking for a 'pardon'. Swagman Aug 2012 #16
Sure he is jeff47 Aug 2012 #29
Why shouldn't he be able to break US law? HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #45
a fact lost on some US politicians and media talking heads who have Swagman Aug 2012 #87
I was totally fucking flabbergasted yesterday laundry_queen Aug 2012 #107
Let's say he decides to increase his funding by running a carding scam. jeff47 Aug 2012 #114
good to know you support a Swedish prosecutor who is a partner in a law firm advised by Karl Rove Swagman Aug 2012 #85
Good to know guilt by association is more important to you than the law. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2012 #115
Justice and conscience and empathy tama Aug 2012 #142
You silly Americans cpwm17 Aug 2012 #145
It is a little more complicated than that. Savannahmann Aug 2012 #15
I accept the "emotional response" argument. redgreenandblue Aug 2012 #17
just a small correction-there are no charges nor would it be 'rape' under Swagman Aug 2012 #19
I think it would be rape, under Swedish law muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #21
Nah according to many on this site it was whistler162 Aug 2012 #24
No it is an opportunist prosecutor using the women to get Assange Swagman Aug 2012 #89
yeh the funny thing is none of these women are claiming they were raped.. frylock Aug 2012 #116
your wrong on that Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #223
that's a right-wing swedish publication with an obvious bias.. frylock Aug 2012 #230
one of your fellow assange supporters used the article to defend assange by making false claims Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #231
you'll have to take that up with my fellow assange supporter.. frylock Aug 2012 #233
oh i quite agree Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #242
Actually, it's one of the oldest swedish newspapers; it's owned by a labor federation; and struggle4progress Aug 2012 #248
Well, when women state clearly that they were not raped, I think it is insulting to sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #133
where exactly do they state that? n/t Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #266
Except the alleged victims themselves dont think it was rape, HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #101
Links for that, please muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #124
Several links in the various threads. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #127
Note that one charge *is* for rape muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #131
You've misread. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #139
"The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story" struggle4progress Aug 2012 #235
Except the women themselves aren't calling it "rape", nor did they want to press charges riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #34
"The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story" struggle4progress Aug 2012 #236
and yet Sweden's actions have been an utter disgrace to genuine rape victims everywhere Swagman Aug 2012 #88
The women both said there was no rape. One of them was so upset when sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #93
This is indeed the "Godwin" of sex-criminology kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #95
Minor corrections tama Aug 2012 #109
Thank you, PM. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #121
I understood what you hinted at by "Republican party" tama Aug 2012 #140
"The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story" struggle4progress Aug 2012 #237
Yes, she lied about her friend. Thanks. So much exculpatory evidence never sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #238
If you think their testimony supports your view you believe them; otherwise you call them liars struggle4progress Aug 2012 #240
And you are still not posting the evidence that shows that the 'other woman' sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #241
Nothing surprising tama Aug 2012 #138
I read something... malokvale77 Aug 2012 #20
What guarantees did the UK offer when Assange turned himself in? Robb Aug 2012 #23
The "rape" charge is just a trumped up excuse.. ananda Aug 2012 #25
Why would he be sent to the US? jeff47 Aug 2012 #28
yeah, that's what bothers me about this whole narrative. yodermon Aug 2012 #31
For the 10th time since you keep spamming these threads, Sweden has a history of rendition riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #33
And the UK doesn't? treestar Aug 2012 #38
No. The UK has not been implicated in THAT particular war crime. But Sweden has nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #42
What war crime? treestar Aug 2012 #44
Sweden was complicit with US in previous cases of extraordinary rendition. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #47
Do you really think he will ever "disappear?" treestar Aug 2012 #54
Sweden also participated in Iraq and Afghanistan riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #49
Then why hasn't the big, bad US done anything? treestar Aug 2012 #56
Last time I'm going to answer this. Sweden has a history of participating in illegal rendition riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #65
Why is there a grand jury? treestar Aug 2012 #150
To declare him a terrorist or an enemy combatat so they can disappear him riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #154
please read this : "US intends to pursue Assange, (Aust Govt) cables show" Swagman Aug 2012 #90
Any proof it would be outside the norms of American justice system? treestar Aug 2012 #151
The US is doing something. They have a Grand Jury seated looking into charging sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #97
Isn't a grand jury part of our legal system? treestar Aug 2012 #152
Only if there is some evidence of a crime. Journalism is not a crime. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #155
The UK extradites about 20 people/yr to the US, Sweden extradites about 1/yr struggle4progress Aug 2012 #177
You conveniently forgot that Sweden illegal renditions people too. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #183
When the whole sordid history of that era is written down, it will be clear that the UK was more struggle4progress Aug 2012 #184
You mean when Wikileaks exposes the UK like they did with Sweden's war crimes riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #186
The 2001 Swedish case wasn't exposed by Wikileaks: the victims sued in court for damages and won struggle4progress Aug 2012 #187
Please by all means, avoid the point that we won't know the "whole sordid tale" riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #193
Then why wouldn't Sweden agree to no extradition? EOTE Aug 2012 #40
Take a minute to think about your arguement jeff47 Aug 2012 #213
What makes no sense is Sweden not agreeing not to extradite EOTE Aug 2012 #226
Such agreements are never made. jeff47 Aug 2012 #229
That is simply not true. EOTE Aug 2012 #232
You're only 1/8th right jeff47 Aug 2012 #252
By what incredibly strange math? Now you're simply picking nits. EOTE Aug 2012 #256
Why won't Sweden promise not to send him to US? HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #46
Because it's the equivalent of issuing a pardon. jeff47 Aug 2012 #117
Oh. That's hogwash. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #125
Under what grounds would he be expelled? jeff47 Aug 2012 #212
Hes not a Swedish citizen. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #218
Let's pretend that happens jeff47 Aug 2012 #220
Huh? Why would he go to NY? HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #234
So....why the hell were you talking about him being expelled 3 posts ago? jeff47 Aug 2012 #251
Because if Sweden expells him following legal procedings HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #253
but if they wanted to aid the us with an 'extraordinary' rendition they'd just say 'sure we promise' Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #267
If there is an agreement with US authorities, HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #273
WTF? JackRiddler Aug 2012 #259
UK has refused to participate in rendition. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #188
Then the UK would have extradited him treestar Aug 2012 #36
Simple question. EOTE Aug 2012 #66
Because they don't routinely do that in similar cases treestar Aug 2012 #75
Yeah, because they have no intention of doing so. EOTE Aug 2012 #80
You mean no one has ever been extradited to Sweden before? treestar Aug 2012 #153
Uhhh, you've completely missed the point. EOTE Aug 2012 #164
You're making your own set of standards that the Swedes have to follow here treestar Aug 2012 #165
You act as if Sweden would be forced to do this in the future, that's just plain ridiculous. EOTE Aug 2012 #228
For one thing, he's asking for a blank check. cemaphonic Aug 2012 #148
That's the fun part of government secrecy tama Aug 2012 #204
Anyone who claims not to understand this simple concept... EOTE Aug 2012 #37
It is quite simple. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #50
occam's razor and sich frylock Aug 2012 #118
Yes. I think most DUers acknowledge "Agent Mike". HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #123
DoD Dave frylock Aug 2012 #130
Or "Doood"... HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #134
Stratfor Steve backscatter712 Aug 2012 #149
occam's razor Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #268
i suppose that could be the case, aside from the inconvenient fact that the women.. frylock Aug 2012 #271
one of the females thinks she was a victim of sexual abuse/molestation but not rape Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #272
I've felt quite sick to my stomach all day after reading some comments Swagman Aug 2012 #92
A well founded nausea kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #100
"It's as thought he last ten years never happened and I find it frightening." riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #103
I think it's the same people who run around this website questioning other Democrats Puglover Aug 2012 #270
What general principle of international law are you claiming here? struggle4progress Aug 2012 #178
Of course there is no right. EOTE Aug 2012 #225
Such possibilities, and similar possibilities, are already covered by existing treaties: struggle4progress Aug 2012 #227
No one is asking that Assange be able to set the terms for extradition. EOTE Aug 2012 #245
Assange thinks he can set conditions Sweden must meet, before he goes to Sweden struggle4progress Aug 2012 #246
No shit they disagree. That's why Assange isn't stupid enough to go to Sweden. EOTE Aug 2012 #249
So you DO believe a person under extradition order has some right, to demand that everyone promise struggle4progress Aug 2012 #250
+1. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #41
Do we need 30 threads on this guy? majority of people don't care. Can we have an Assange Forum? n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #60
It's the DU way. Dozens of threads on one topic. Cleita Aug 2012 #77
You have hit the nail squarely on the head. hifiguy Aug 2012 #62
Yes, you are right. Cleita Aug 2012 #76
It don't matter atreides1 Aug 2012 #78
K&R redqueen Aug 2012 #83
dear! precious! Julian never argued in court that he was in danger of being sent on to the US struggle4progress Aug 2012 #104
Your implication tama Aug 2012 #110
"... There was at one stage a suggestion that Mr Assange could be extradited to the USA (possibly to struggle4progress Aug 2012 #122
Your implication tama Aug 2012 #132
That court made a terrible decision, which is not unusual for courts btw. But that sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #156
Sure, just trust us says Sweden, the country that rendered two human beings sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #169
It's shocking the amount of DUers who do not view it as a crime anymore. nt laundry_queen Aug 2012 #202
Sweden improperly transferred two prisoners to Egypt in 2001 and got struggle4progress Aug 2012 #239
Improperly transferred? laundry_queen Aug 2012 #243
Here's the 2006 HRW summary: Diplomatic Assurances Against Torture Offer No Protection From Abuse struggle4progress Aug 2012 #244
Clearly you struggle with reading comprehension. nt laundry_queen Aug 2012 #247
+1 - would love to see struggle4progress answer your post Matariki Aug 2012 #209
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2012 #161
Agreed. nt avebury Aug 2012 #214
No, it really isn't Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #217
So... Sweden should put aside treaties and international laws for this one man because? CabCurious Aug 2012 #269
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